Mount Equipment and the Water Strider

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I agree with everything you said except this.
People didn’t overuse the water strider. It’s use was the natural result of an xpac dominated geographically by water and Blizz denying flying for 1 year and counting and players wanting to go directly from point A to point B.

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…and the new system fixes it as we can all use any mount when we can’t fly now, not just the only one I’ve used for 6 years in a row :wink:

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The “overuse” stems from being in too big of a hurry to spend the ~2 seconds to switch mounts to cross a stream or puddle then ~2 more to switch back. By the admission of players themselves in the various mount equipment threads. But yes, zone design does play a factor because Blizzard is designing zones to slow you down and funnel you along specific routes (so you can see everyone else on the same routes to give the illusion of population.)

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The last thread was locked for a reason. What exactly is the point of opening up a new one? Give it a rest already- its trolling at this point.

We get it, you want to be ‘special’, with your ‘special mount’. Equip your free piece of mount equipment and move on.

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Whoever the guy was that put the plank up in Boralus should replace Ion as lead dev.

At least that guy has an idea of player behavior.

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Can we say the same to raiders and PvPers who demand special attention as well? I mean they got to use those mounts and appearances for years, why should I have to grind for them?

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No. You get a damn consumable. Not gear. A consumable that will be worthless on many mounts. I can think of 2 M+ dungeons where water walking is key and by the way water walking potions and flasks cant be used together.

Want water today? You pay for it.
Want something else tomorrow? Pay
Want water walking again? Pay again.

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As it’s been stated by me and many others before. There’s no issue with the equipment. I’m annoyed because I wasted my time farming for a mount that’s completely useless now and a free equipment doesn’t make up for lost time. Again they can easily leave the Strider alone and make it so it can’t use equipment.

I’m all for mount equipment, what I’m not for is getting rid of unique stuff and the Water Striders are unique because they are the only mounts that can walk on water.

It also concerns me a bit because I’m assuming they’ll be getting rid of my Path of Frost and Shammies water walking in the future.

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Water Strider is completely useless now? You can still use it as a mount, while walking on water…

P.S I wasted a lot of time in Wotlk and Cata farming for gear. That gear is all useless now. Ugh. Such a drag I know- how dare Blizzard advance the game and change things! :roll_eyes:

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So why not herb picking equipment and eliminate the 1 mount that can do that, Sure they paid gold for it but so did the water strider people.

Why not passenger flying equipment that turns you into the mount so others can ride you. Eliminate the mounts that can do that now, sure they paid for it in time and gold, but so did the water strider people.

Why target the water strider specifically like this? By asking that the waterstrider be exempt like the herb picking mount was we seem to be all willing to accept now having to switch mounts to utilize waterwalking. That would slow us down and give them what they want. Heck I will even take them slowing down the natural ability’s of the water strider. All reasonable comprimises that are not getting responded to.

The main point is I can switch now for free. When this goes live, I can’t.

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I didn’t mean as in literally right now in game. Let me rephrase it, the mount will be useless. Does any of that gear allow you to walk on water? Or have some thing that makes it unique? Because the comparison isn’t the same.

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I never understood why people defend the current implementation of the Mount Equipment and actively revolt against the idea of giving each individual mount each perk, thus giving more mount customization and choices and making the system better instead of the dressed up Talent Row.

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Nah, since it was never about that.

People asked for this water walking change, in many threads over the years. They asked for pretty much exactly what we got, “equipment” which makes “any” mount able to water walk.

Many people responded in such threads, “I would also like that.”

They did not ask for it to be removed from water striders, but I’m not sure what they expected.

Just remember this, the next time people lament Blizzard never listening to subscribers. In this case, they did listen; So this is what we got.

I also can’t see the use of anything except the mount dismount “glider.” At first I was looking at the mount speed one, then read how it stacks with no other mount speed buff (class, pathfinder one, etc. as near as I can tell.)

Some history, on who to blame :wink:

Sifu I’m sick of using my water strider, but its convenience is just too good to pass up. Is there any chance you can add an easy to make water walking thing that applies to mounts? Something like an Engineering “leg-mounted flotation device” that let’s you walk over water on any mount.

Daxtrovian Please. we need more options.
That thing looks hideous.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ansyqt/we_need_more_waterwalking_mounts/

Bradnthings I bet if Blizzard invested into making a cash shop mount thats just a pair of wet socks that suspend you over the water, it’d sell like hot cakes.

Gioman42 Ion and the devs HATE the water-walking mounts and wanted to remove them a while back. You’re prob not going to see another one.

Genoce The pretty straight-forward fix that gets brought up quite often: instead of making water striders give you water walking, let the players gain a permanent passive that allows water-walking while mounted on any mount.

I.e. in addition to selling the Azure Water Strider, Nat Pagle would also sell a book that gives you this passive ability. Same source, but doesn’t limit you to use the strider

Oh, no you d’int Genoce!

Nurvus Ultimately the fair answer is to either remove extra effects from mounts or give all mounts an effect (or ability to grant them an effect that makes sense).
However, the Mount system needs to be revamped before Blizzard can properly balance Mounts around utility.

The issue was brought up more, with the Dreadwake “non boat” mount (and even petitions!):

Rai Butera We, the undersigned, believe that The Dreadwake should have the ability to be used on the water, because it is a boat. In this regard it should function in a way that is similar to that of the Azure Water Strider, a mount that has the ability to walk on the surface of water at the same speed as a ground mount would on land.

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Why isn’t it the same? Old gear used to have cool set bonuses etc. which were unique to them. I worked hard to farm the gear, get the set bonus and now that gear is irrelevant so my set bonuses are gone.

However, I’m not going to spam the ‘create new topic button’ to complain something after numerous of threads were already merged and closed down… this thread should also be closed. We are beating a dead horse here.

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The simplest solution to people’s complaining about not liking to use the bug all the time would have been to introduce more water walking mounts each expansion but apparently that was too obvious and easy for Blizz to actually do it. Barring that they could have also assigned mounts to various groups which would give mounts in that particular group some kind of perk e.g. walk on water (bugs, frogs, turtles), faster speed under water (seahorses, squid), unable to be knocked off mounts (dinos, mammoths), faster speed on land (horses, cats), etc. Instead, they chose an option guaranteed to piss off some of the player base, as they so often do.

They’ve been trying to break the strider since Legion Alpha and mount gear is how they’re doing it without the same backlash they saw at that time because a lot of people want to use other mounts to walk on water even though not all mounts should walk on water. Nothing says immersion like seeing a dino walking on water, I’m sure. :roll_eyes:

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The only dead horse here is at the bottom of the Nazmir river because you forgot you changed out your water walking shoes for stun control yesterday.

That poor horse.

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Because that gear becomes obsolete once a new expansion hits regardless of how cool the tier sets or items are. However the mount doesn’t.

I see where you’re coming from on this, I have the trinket Rune of Metamorphosis on my druid just because. Same with the legendary bow from Sunwell on my Hunter.

I guess we can just agree to disagree. There is one thing we agree on though. These threads should be stopped because I doubt blizzard is going to go back on their decision. There’s no point in making the same threads over and over regardless the topic.

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System would be fine if it didn’t remove functionality in any form.

If barding gets a nerf, or the water walking mount gets a nerf as a result of the system, then I don’t care about the system, because it’s essentially breaking even, or downgrading functionality I already had in order to sell it back to me.

Same issue as the portal room, they gave us a nice location for our portals, who can complain about that? Well, the problem with that was that they removed the Vale portals, which was just a better location for a portal room. Then there’s the issue of some portals that previously existed no longer existing.

Hard to be hyped over a system when it’s just a downgrade over what we already had.

The sad part is that this won’t even affect me, as a shaman main. It’s just frustrating to see.

At the bare minimum, the crimson strider needs to keep it’s functionality. Getting that thing is a GRIND.

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I tweeted Blizzard CS about this three times (once per day for 3 days). After the first answer they gave me, they ignored the tweets.

I can only come to the conclusion they have no desire to open up that thread again.

The other point I want to make is the fact that the mount equipment is going to be very expensive to purchase off the AH.

For example, the Comfortable Rider’s Barding uses the following mats:
15 to 25 Coarse Leather
3 Embroidered Deep Sea Satin
thread
25 Gilded Seaweave (which will also be needed to craft 440 gear)

Which means that the likely hood of people using these items is probably very low.

So people are going to be very disappointed in this new system, and the people who did not do the rep grind for the strider will still not have water-walking.

:thinking:

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I have never seen a company dig in it’s heels and refuse to listen to reason/ignore like Blizzard can. Ohh wait never mind, there is one. Cablevison beats Blizzard barely. That is not good company to be compared too.

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