Boomy is always S tier.
Rarely do I see meteor taken. Donât see 50% in a single GCD either. Fire is powerful, but itâs because they are throwing rapid pyros at you building ignites and their phoenix is hitting you with greater pyro. But meteor is meh. Drustvar shows less than 20% even take it.
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Still very very good. Cyclone is insanely powerful cc - you basically decide the tempo of a match, you can deny heals, cc healer, peel dps - and with Owlkin and pretty much get them casted very quickly.
If their damage or survival ever goes even slightly out of proportion, they become broken, mainly because of Cyclone spam, and they are the best druid spec to do it.
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Retribution paladin and Bm hunter
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Correct sunfury does not play meteor.
Frostfire does and aint no1 playing frostfire rn cus its bad.
I donât think sunfury fires broken or insane or bad either its just pretty ok tbh. Iâm not even playing mine much bc i dont find rets and hunters everygame bum rushing me with spellbop or RoS every bust fun either.
Sure can beat it, beat plenty of them and whatnot its just not fun gameplay to que into things that hard counter you every bust and have to find a window to outplay and kill them. i also dont know any rogues anymore no one plays B tier rogue clas and every reroll to fotm.
So im just playing with warriors or demo normally and niether feel as GREAT as rmp from mage pov. Playable, winnable for sure and decent glad comp but having an amazing rogue changes how it feels immensely to play mage into most things.
I just donât think it can be compared to Ret or any of hunter specs, which all 3 run mages down pretty hard and are virtually every game and counter you pretty hard. Maybe good rmps farm them tho idk, i havent played rmp in so long as said above its hard to find anyone playing rogue anymore. All the rogues i knew quit or long rerolled to funner and simpler specs that require even less effort for success.
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Probably for âdpsâ ret>bm>mm>firemage>havoc>survival>unholy>blood dk
For healers pres>=Disc>the rest
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havoc not only below blood but entirely absent
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Ope! Forgot them, edited and ty
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Listen. Havoc is the natural predator of the chicken class with infinite mobility, clone stops/immunities, and being unkillable.
I do not support big dh agenda!
bm hunter is one of the only specs in the game that can be full DRâd twice.
mm/sv is a worse version of boomkin.
the power creep on ret to the point its a ranged dps probaBly needs to be looked at 
dh and dk fit into a unique category where they just do an insane amount of damage, when on a good team is really cool, when on a bad team is essentially useless.
canât believe u just typed fire, pres, and voidweaver into this thread.
arcane pretty nutty but there is always going to be a broken spec of mage as theyâre the only spec in the game w spammble poly DR. iâdâve put this over everything else u have in this list but its kind of redundant over every xpac.
bdk already got absolutely gutted from the grip DR and removal of oppressive slow talent. its got a pretty sick interaction with the tier set + inflection of sorrow, but its not more damage than any other dps spec and it takes like +15s of railing someone to ramp it. âwell its a tank it shouldnât do dps damageâ ; if you made a TAS lobby with a bdk it would die in the first 2 goâs every match vs any team that didnât have 300 pets. it has no way to consistently connect with anyone after the grip DR and slow removal, it has the same defensives as a dps dks but also takes a base +60% damage, and the only way it can heal itself is with a physical melee ability that requires runic power and it only heals based off the damage its taken in the last 5s effected by dampening - non-duplicate. learn anything abt bdk and youâll never lose to it. atp they could add a negative passive disarm to the bdk for 5s every 10s and yâall would still struggle cause u never have any idea whats going on vs it.
tldr ret pal cause devs r funny and arcane mage because name an xpac mage doesnt have an op spec.
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who let you leave feeds chat
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as a bad player i would say ret and hunters are kinda game ruining in bgs at the moment. Just randomly getting one shot isnt fun.
I dont care what is the best in high ratings but fun wise getting one shot by something instant and not interruptible\stoppable aint fun
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Playing wind walker in pvp for the first time, and I have to say, itâs fun when you can hit stuff, but man some stuff I canât seem to reach. It would be nice if the emperorâs capacitor jade lightning thing stacked up faster, the slicing winds bug is insanely annoying too. Also your burst cds donât feel impactful, like all you do is split into little guys that hit for a sum that is slightly higher than your baseline. There arenât really any big crits besides slicing, which feels bad.
That is all for my current wind walker thoughts
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Putting BM on the same level as fire mage is hilarious.
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Honestly I could probably live with the damage buff being nerfed as long as we kept the 4 Arcane charges part.
Maybe reduce the cooldowns to 10 seconds and give the ability its own damage profile/give a free charge of PoM. That would help with Arcane steady damage while toning down the burst.
its suppose to be burst. they donât have bleeds like warrior or vt like priest, they have poly healer â kill dps in 3-9s.
nether flux isnât just press button = 1 shot , if u let a mage fill out all the criteria to bang an execute barrage you probably shouldnât be surprised ur getting executed. essentially just a more consistent version of the talent it replaces while also helping the fluidity of the spec outside of execute range.
Iâm calling it now, RMP will win the cup.
I feel this. Whenever Iâm on my WW I struggle with getting kited more than any of the other melee classes. Which is sad because Monk was originally the class with the best mobility.
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Maybe. I expect to see Double Ret show up though. We havenât had a single spec be this dominant in a long time