More fdk buffs posted, Thoughts

im glad and all but the problem still isnt being addressed

Sustain dps buffs, mean nothing, when you cant survive to stay in and sustain dps

The only button we have to survive while we dps, is deathstrike which ironically enough costs the same resource as froststrike

You use self sustain and lose damage sustain, while also still dying because deathstrike is just bad

or you use dps sustain and spam froststrike, yes its now buffed another 22% but thats still not going to be enough to justify getting your teeth kicked in for staying in melee range

It sounds silly to sit here and say oh ya we just need another 40% froststrike buff which is kinda why if they really want to address fdks problems in pvp at this point they have to stop looking at the damage profile and maybe start looking at its defensive toolkit and why its defensive toolkit is failing it

FDK needs encouragement to stay inside from the survivability part of their kit, and it needs to ideally not get in the way of pressing froststrikes, Or at least not often

Bloodforged armor shouldnt be tied to deathstrike, it should just be blood presence honestly, And while in blood presence you should generate half runic power or something along those lines

Deathstrike should return back to its original pre nerf strength, Give it a charge system, And make a honor talent based around adding more charges, or lowering the cooldown of the charges, or even making it cost free and charge free for a short duration

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Frost needs something that makes the spec work in pvp. It has a bad defensive kit, no MS, no execute and bad mobility. I would love a blue post on what their vision for frost is as they are trying to tune it for pvp. I honestly think the devs are lost with this spec. Sustained damage buffs are meaningless if you cant stay in the pocket long enough to use it.

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Correction, an awful execute, and Mobility that is to good

Dk could stand to lose some mobility, Not grips, But deaths echo shouldnt give deaths advance charges, It should return to being slow moving, hard hitting, and hard to kill

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I kind of wish they’d apply a little PvP modifier to Soul Reaper so it packed a bit more of a punch.

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its issues go a lot deeper than just what it hits for

they could double the damage and itd still arguably be not that great

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Yes! Absolutely this, finally somebody who understands. I hate this hyper focus on mobility, I want dk to return to what it used to be; slow, no mobility, but denied enemy mobility through grips and chains and would be tanky enough to survive until it could get a few hits in, hits that seriously hurt. Mordekaiser in league, who funnily enough was inspired by wow dk, functions in this exact same way, and I desperately want this play style back.

I fell in love with dk because of its bruiser design, now it’s just a glass canon (and that’s being generous)

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Frost is on steroids right now. Sure, pvp is different (mainly because people dont even want to try anything other builds or stats) but in pve people are getting more KM procs than they can use. When you are getting 136 KM procs and only use 95 Obliterates with a 90% crit rate its absolutely being balanced and designed around that. That is over a 4 minute fight.

Compare that to Wrath right now on the same duration and the KM proc count is only 24… 24. So a proc per minute would be around 6 in Wrath and 34 in DF. You get more KM procs in 1 minute in DF than you get in Wrath over a full duration. No wonder why Blizzard is weary of doing anything with frost realistically.

Does there need to be any more evidence that points to Obliterate, inflated KM procs being the problem along with Frostreaper that was baked in because its to important? Unless this is addressed anything else wont realistically be able to be balanced within the spec.

Do any DKs actually like the ‘frost rogue’ play style in PvP?

not in the slightest

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It’s funny that frost got damage buffs announced and no one cares.

(I love that they are buffing sustain damage, but won’t really care until defensives also get buffed.)

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You guys are going to get our mobility nerfed and not get the damage you want in return.

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Threads like this are why frost is trash in PvP. Irony that the frost DK community is doubling down on their idiocy after not learning the lesson after the last rework.

Have at it, as an unholy DK I want none of the idiot changes listed here bleeding into my game experience.

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Buffs are trash. Needs a full rework
Frost strike will still hit for noodle damage and doesn’t even have the added bonus of warrior’s slam proccing anything.

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FDK might be the worst PvP spec in the game. DK forums: lets nerf our mobility.

You never see other classes doing this. You don’t see sub rogues saying their burst is too high, druids trying to get cyclone nerfed, hunters complaining they accidently one shot a caster.

The old games dead. Everyone has mobility and damage now. Did anyone even play shadowlands? One charge of death’s advance running through the maw. I’ll unsub before I go back to that.

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i mean youre the one choosing to be willfully ignorant about the other half of what was said which was to gain more survivability and damage

Interesting that you use the maw as an example when the expansion we’re playing now isnt shadowlands and has dragonriding literally everywhere including in a dungeon

Either way the main point isnt that dk should be slow its that there has to be a slowest, just like there has to be a fastest, Dk should be the slowest, and the benefit of being that should be extreme damage when uptime is achieved, and the ability to survive long enough to get that uptime

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Call me ignorant I don’t care. I simply don’t think you’re going to get what you want. Every FDK on this forum wanted more sustain and less pillar damage, they did that and all that’s happened is the class is in an even worse state.

I’ll say it again. The old WoW is dead. Everyone has mobility now and I don’t want to trade it off, especially when I don’t think you’re going to get what you want in that trade.

You’ll probably get 5% frost strike damage for losing a charge of death’s advance.

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You sound like a clown

They didnt do that, They went the direction but didnt go to the full extent they should have went, Theyre doing it to slow and progressively i couldve told you months ago before they even started doing this that froststrike needed upwards of a 80%-120% buff to be good and we are only half way to that point

But thats not even the only problem, You know why the class is in a worse state? because they REFUSE to readdress the survivability gut they did to dk before S1 because of a talent interaction that doesnt exist anymore

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You guys wanted more damage out of pillar and into sustain. They did that but not as much as you wanted.

Now you want mobility changed and if they do that they won’t give you the defensive buff and damage buff you want to be compensated.

They removed heartstop aura and didn’t compensate DK’s for it. DK’s didn’t fight back and said it was toxic.

They removed spellwarden and didn’t compensate DK’s for it. DK’s didn’t fight back and said passives were bad for the game and toxic.

They aren’t going to do exactly what you want and in the end the class will end up nerfed even more.

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Heartstop and early season spellwarding were absolutely too strong as passives.

clearly, So they failed on their part

I dont actually care if they make us slower or faster, Nor do i spend time actively trying to advocate for a loss of mobility, I made a simple statement summed up to say i liked the spec better when it was slower and much harder hitting and harder to kill

Actually just wrong lol, Fdks were furious and fought back very hard but again, the developers fail

Same thing as heartstop, Dks were furious because the compensation was extremely bad a typical trend youll find on this class

Dks say they want X, Blizzard delivers on X but in the most lazy unhelpful unimpactful way possible, Dk remains bad, Then people who havent a clue come into the forums all like

yOu gOt wHaT u WaNtEd aNd LoOk dK iS sTiLl bAd

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