Do you
All you do is yap fried takes about lock in all the forums
Demo feels more than fine idk what to tell you. Skill issue maybe
Er, not in pvp with the micro interrupt cc chaining. There are a lot of problems with demo in pvp. Affliction is definitely the spec to go in pvp at the moment, but with how squishy lock is now, even thatâs a flop fest.
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Itâs not hard being more experienced than a 2k player, not sure how you can even mention that. Youâre practically a casual. I probably have more titles than seasons youâve played.
Even then itâs hard to reason with u, iâve said what needs to be said and you being defensive about it only further proves my point.
Itâs baffling you actually even have an ego at ur xp range, talk about dunning krueger.
Anyway, like i said, prove me wrong by climbing the ladder, all that lip work means nothing otherwise.
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A casual that is making lock work better than someone terminally online struggling with each spec
Post on your lock
Post on your lock
Post on your lock
If youâre not running precog on demo youâre gonna have a really bad time bud
Demo is not fine in pvp with the amount of casting/pet AI dysfunctions/disrupts.
And regardless how you feeling about it someone already has done an analysis on the specs performance on 2100 and above ratings.
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I really donât know what to tell you guys just because someone is struggling with a spec does not mean itâs bad. The top demo in shuffle is at 2158. Thatâs actually crazy considering shuffle mmr is pretty much capped at ~2200.
Representation is low because aff is so broken and is the only spec that can comfortably compete with the other outliers. That doesnât mean demo is bad it just means itâs not overtuned. You donât make the game balanced by bringing everything up to affâs busted level; you create balance by bringing the offenders back down to earth from space
Itâs the same thing every expansion. People think demo is bad because you have to cast. Most casters are really bad at actually casting though.
Representation is low because no one wants to deal with a heavy caster with los pets(dots) in an expansion where everyone has at minimum 3 different ways to interrupt a caster w.o using their interrupts and this is just from the brainless ape rating. You put in DK or ww and well yeah.
Once you get higher level of pvp almost everyone is aware of demo cast weakness and the pets. Which they will heavily interrupt your moments on every one of your goes.
Where as affliction or destro (I believe detro now has a full instant build around spamming rain of fire/spreading hellcaller dot) you have plenty of instants or other mechanics between current ua backlash/instant shadow bolts/and your shadow flame ability not worry about fully losing your damage goes.
Why do you think people love frost mages over arcane. Or devastation granted thatâs probably more to do with their 90% slow from disintegrate.
The only other spec than almost like us is shadow priest, and that utility kit/damage kit makes them work to a point. If you change those abilities to pets. Shadow would be seating right next to us.
Sure demo is viable but it needs helps on those casting mechanics and the pet AI.
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Precog doesnât help the micro interrupts via stuns/ knock ups/ more stuns/ instant ccs. Come on now.
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I would if i could but i donât play on this region.
How convenient
I mean, you seem to be the only one in this thread that thinks demo is good and supposedly everyone else is wrong, so maybe itâs you. Iâm no pvp expert, i casually pvp, Iâve also never really played demo in pvp much, but with the current state of pvp, i never would. The amount of stuns, interrupts, cc, movement and gap closers is insane compared to having to stand still and be a turrent, which hardly works now. Even if you manage to pull out a good tyrant setup, all they really have to do is los it behind a pillar.
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all classes got buffs, warlocks get ignored!
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Demo is fine right now mechanically. Just needs a tune up in dmg.
It plays exactly the same as in DF and it was a top spec.
Right now youre doing much of the same thing but the sustained dmg just isnt quite there.
If they give us about 15% overall dmg or some crazy burst somewhere, the spec eill be back to A tier.
Thing is aside from pve because honestly while having to stop casting to avoid mechanics is annoying as all. Pve mobs/mechanics are structured and patterned and force to attack the tank.
In pvp any caster with how the current game mechanics with the amount of interrupts/mini interrupts/los/moving wont have as much success as an instant weaver and due to its heavy caster design, unless it dealing damage enough where it wonât matter if people los something/tanky enough where it can sit through all the mini interrupts and still able to get that damage out. If it cant provide enough damage to force instant pressure and it requires an op spec to be able to do somethin, itâs pretty screwed.
Is goes the same same with something like dk, the base design of it itâs to disrupt and maintain immunities. Sure you can tweak the damage but if youâre not touching the kits design guess what it wonât affect much.
The other issue is we have castable dots that are interactive which means any AOE cc/los will completely negate them. When paladins get that instant AOE fear on 45cds that invalidates demons you kiss bye playing demo when thereâs a pally in that group.
And while I would love all casters to be brought back to the casting design unless all the aoe instant interrupts gets address, weird pulls,knocks up and w.e they come up with.
A heavy caster wonât be successful enough to be up there and whatâs around lately. Just unbalanced is all. Damage wonât solve the issue.
But itâs w.e you either try making work out however you can or you can switch to either destro/afflic and have a cool time.
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Just saw this.
Warlock
- Diabolistsâ Overlord, Mother of Chaos, and Pit Lord should now attack the target of the spell that summoned them.
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I think that you are missing the point that everyone is trying to make. Like you I enjoy playing Demo lock right now in pvp. Unlike you I have a lot of experience playing Demo at relatively high ratings 2.2k-2.5k MMR. No one is saying that the spec is not fun. But you are showing that you donât have a good understanding of the spec or current pvp meta when you argue that the spec is fine, when it obviously is not.
I have played Demo back when it was the worst spec in the game for multiple seasons in a row, heck for entire expansions, and I have been complaining about it since then as well. The major difference between back then and now is the amount of micro cc and regular cc introduced to the gameâs pvp environment. These mechanics make it impossible for a spec like Demo to do âANYTHING!â. Precog doesnât mean jack if you are not being kicked. Most melee in the game have ways to prevent you from ever casting without ever needing to kick you.
And thatâs just it. When you play at below 1600 MMR you donât have opponents that exploit these game flaws. They let you freecast, so you come on the forum and make ridiculous comments like demo is fine in PVP.
You believe that other comments are referring to Demo damage. Damage is far from demoâs main problem. The spec is âOUTDATED!â in PVP. It is literally a punching bag. If you donât want to accept that you have the right to that. But please speak on factual information that you can actually prove outside of your limited experience especially when the overwhelming crowd of players are saying differently.
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You are 400 games stuck at 1600. in shuffleâŚplease just never rating check someone ever again. Like ever. Not even trying to throw shade, you literally donât know what youâre doing.
And you guys wonder why no one takes the warlock forums seriously. I am just in disbelief how the quality drops here expansion after expansion
Yeah that is the point. Iâm stuck at 1600 and struggling because the spec sucks. Like the other post said you get the spec to 2k then you can say how good the spec is. Iâm not the one sitting here saying demo is good in PvP and barely playing it in any pvp. Play the spec to a respectable rating which in your case would be even 1800 then come talk. The highest I have taken the spec this season is 1703 and that was a struggle. Meanwhile my dk which I barely play is sitting at 1850.
Last season I was at 2360 at the end of the season with demo lock so I donât have anything to prove to you. Like I said before Iâm not just starting on the spec nor did I start playing it when it was fotm. Stick to what you know and be chill with what you obviously donât.
You are right Demo is mechanically fine, but this is only true if Demo was the only spec in the game. Itâs the only spec that has âmechanicsâ that requires it to cast everything. Doesnât matter how many buffs they give the spec it will still be a F tier spec in pvp.
And Demo was a top tier spec in DF for the first 2 seasons. All of the changes related to PvE so called peaks and valleys that they got rid of destroyed the spec and only got worse from there. Ever since they neutered Tyrant the spec has been suffering because it is no longer a threat. The only thing Tyrant still has is itâs horrible AI but that doesnât matter anymore since it does next to no damage.
They give Tyrant a 50% buff in pvp and the spec will be back to being playable.
Demo is fine? You donât look at mythic+ or raiding logs, do you?
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