The Forsaken worked best when they were off in their own little corner of the world, free to make their shady way in the world (or blight it) without being beholden to the western Horde’s honour culture or, worse, poisoning it with their darker mad scientist stuff. Like the blood elves even further north, their race’s themes and aesthetics clash horribly with the honourbound western Horde and so it was a smart decision to keep them insulated to a degree.
… but then some genius decided to make the Forsaken queen the face of the entire Horde, and also crank up her villainy to 11, thus condemning the entire faction to culpability in her many and varied evil acts with no moral leg to stand on at all.
I’m not saying that they wanted them to look evil but you are saying the Forsaken were chosen by Blizzard simply just because they needed a fourth race. That would make me assume that Blizzard wanted the Horde to be evil because it’s just common knowledge that you can’t make death a good thing or why else would they put them there?
From what I have gathered here is that the Horde chose the Forsaken because they needed the numbers but did so without the realization that death was probably not the best cosmic force to work with.
My main question has pretty much been answered by other posts. But this discussion is interesting.
We’ve seen tons of good death/dead/undead entities, such as Eyir, Leonid Bartholomew, Sir Zeliek, THORAS TROLLBANE, Vol’jin, Zelling, Lilian Voss(???), Alonsus Faol, CALIA MENETHIL, Uther Fordragon, King Terenas Menethil, and there’s another priest I’m forgetting.
i think its because before the forsaken kinda worked in the shadows with plausible deniability, but now the spotlight is on them and their actions, and they are being treated as the face of the horde now with warchief sylvanas and everyone is made to go along with her.
I’m not saying that there can’t be good entities, we’re talking about the Forsaken’s past in doing evil things here. They draw a lot of similarities to the Scourge even from which they came. And these people weren’t even relevant to the current story during the point in which the Forsaken joined the Horde. If you were Thrall back then, and you were approached with the choice of whether or not to allow death through your doorsteps, would you have? Given the timeline and events?
NO! Probably not.
I’m not really stating that as opinion rather just trying to understand the way these characters think and percieve
The main issue with “the morality of the Horde” is that the Horde is being written by 9999 people. Metzen’s (who wrote the BFA intro cinema years ago right before retiring) vision for the Horde is OBVIOUSLY different than the rest of BFA’s writers.
I agree. I’m pretty confused about how the characters are being portrayed at this point. What do you think Metzen’s vision for the Horde was or has he talked about that?
Nope. He acted on faith, and he was proven correct. Leonid is proof that Forsaken are not, by nature, evil.
It may be that Sylvanas’s Cult of Personality indoctrinates the weak into wickedness. It may be that the majority are evil. It may be that she had the good ones killed off, or the good ones mostly killed themselves.
But there is a clear canon demographic, no matter how small.