Moira is the WORST character in WoW

Over the years I’ve rarely even seen this character brought up - much less criticized, most likely because she’s been pretty irrelevant for a while up until TWW, but she has been my least favorite character in WoW for a LONG time, and I am not happy to see her take a prominent role, because blizzard seemingly refuses to acknowledge that she has or even CAN do anything wrong. Other characters and even the world itself changes around her to ensure that she is always in the right - a textbook example of mary sue writing. (Is everyone okay? I said the word…)

What do I mean by this? Back in classic, we are introduced to her when she abandons her people and sides with the Dark Iron clan, marrying Dagran Thaurissan and becoming pregnant with his child. She did so after a kidnapping in which the innocent men escorting her were all murdered - save one, who was imprisoned in Blackrock Depths. So yeah, great start. At this point in time, Thaurissan is a servant of Ragnaros, a minion of the old gods whose goal is to destroy the world and burn everything and everyone in it. In addition, Thaurissan and the Dark Irons are infamous for taking part in slavery. Enslaved miners are a common sight in the Searing Gorge and Blackrock depths. And speaking of BrD, within the dungeon you can find slaves crying in cages, NPCs called things like “tortured slave” and “twilight hammer torturer”, and even in the ambience you can clearly hear the screams of what is presumably slaves being tortured.

Moira was complicit in all of this. Not only does she weep over the body of her slave-owning husband when you kill him, she describes him as “an honorable dwarf” and vows revenge. She didn’t seem to care in the slightest for those her husband tortured, enslaved, or killed - only that her poor baby would grow up without his psychopath father. Then, in chronicle it is retconned that Thaurissan was actually planning on freeing the Dark Irons from Ragnaros, and that’s why she joined him. See what I mean when I said the world itself changes to ensure that Moira is always in the right? (I guess they decided they just weren’t gonna mention the slave-owning.)

In the Shattering, she takes over Ironforge with the Dark Irons and rules as a tyrant. We’re basically told that everyone just accepted her claim to the throne, which… huh? Yeah, she’s Magni’s only surviving child. She also betrayed her kingdom and joined their greatest enemy, and is now trying to claim Ironforge in their name. It could be argued that she renounced her “citizenship” and claim to the throne when she joined the Dark Irons. Regardless of whether her claim was rightful or not, you’d think that there would have been at least a LITTLE bit more opposition? Like, she didn’t even have to deal with Muradin or somebody else “usurping” her throne, or hell, just any old angry dwarves deciding to kill her and her entourage the moment she pulled up with the Dark Irons?
Either way, she locks down the whole city, taking both its citizens and ANDUIN WRYNN as hostages. During all of this, she confides in Anduin that she married Thaurissan because Magni was a BIG STINKY SEXIST! Yep, that’s the justification for everything she’s done. And because Christie Golden is writing, it works on Anduin and he somehow convinces his father not only to spare her, but to acknowledge her as a rightful co-leader of Ironforge alongside the other clans. If ANY other (male?) character had done even half these things, this story would have ended with their blood covering Shalamayne. But because it’s special little Moria, the strong, iron-willed VARIAN WRYNN folds like a chair and makes the woman who just threatened to murder his son the new co-leader of Ironforge.

So, how does she do in her new role as the great unifier of the dwarves? In Fire and Iron, we are told that she attempted to paint the Wildhammers as the new “others” rather than the Dark Irons. So once again, great start. Then in MoP, during the Blood in the Snow scenario, Muradin and Falstad won’t go out and fight the Trolls, because they think if one of them leaves, the other will be defeated by the Dark Irons and Moira will take over Ironforge… again. Despite Moira having attempted to do this in just the last expansion, this is portrayed as some irrational fear that Muradin and Falstad deserve to be shamed for, and special little Moira gets to seize the moral high ground by being the one to go out and fight the trolls. Muradin and Falstad prostrate themselves before her and apologize for DARING not to trust the woman who literally just attempted to take over Ironforge. Like I said, the world bends around Moira.

Everything since has pretty much been more of the same, and now in TWW we get to watch her tell Magni how bad of a father he was - even though going by her own actions, he was right about her the whole time. Now the poor geezer will most likely have to watch as his greatest enemy’s son - born from screwing his daughter - rules his city. If I were him I’d just be begging Azeroth to take me already. But, that’s just one part of a larger problem with modern WoW - being that no male characters are allowed to have backbones anymore.

Moira is the ONLY character that seems to get this treatment from Blizzard, and I have no idea why. People called Sylvanas a mary sue, but at least blizzard was willing to admit she did SOMETHING wrong, and punish her for it. But with Moira, everything is the fault of the DUMB STINKY MALES around her. If Muradin had been given her spot in the story from cata onwards, it would only be an improvement.

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Yikes that’s a big wall of text.
I appreciate a few of the paragraphs but yikes, it could be a tad better …

That being said, yeah Moira is pretty average & meh as a character :person_shrugging:
I don’t hate her, but I just don’t really care for her either. lol

As for Moira’s class, the priest?

Especially as far as notable priest characters go, I don’t really care for her — The only one that seems to hold merit and give any pride to the class is Velen.

  • All void users & shadow priest? Outdone by a HUNTER (Alleria).

So yeah although Moira is strong, she’s kind of … Meh.

  • Holy users? Aside from Velen, the lore generally depicts priests that they’re nothing more than the fodder preliminary stage before becoming the superior version of themselves, which are paladins.

They try to push Anduin as a priest & give some cool representation to priests but lets be real — He wears plate and uses melee with a two hand sword … He’s a paladin.

The Narrative

Now, Moira’s class role aside and moving on to politics, past actions etc …

Personally, I’d say the issue of nuance and conflict sort of boils down to the Alliance rather than Moira’s character specifically – as time & time again, they seem to have problems brushed aside or “rightfully” justified by the story later on :face_exhaling: Kind of makes things boring.

  • In contrast I feel like the Horde have the opposite issue, but that’s going into a whole other topic.

At the moment, I rather enjoy the role of her son and his nerdy demeanor — but I’d love for him to show some might in some regard or another eventually, even saving a few of his family members perhaps & rising into his own stand-alone shoes as a Bronzebeard decedent who can hold his own drink – So to speak :partying_face:

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Moira has gotten much better of a character this expansion. She is far from the worst character given the spotlight.

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I never realized she was this bad, they shouldn’t have retconned that stuff about Thaurissan and just let her be a bad person, WoW needs more morally ambiguous or evil characters.

Was he at this point? I thought they were all basically free until Deathwing came back?

The Elemental Lords were free once and waged war against the old gods — Until the old gods won and made them their servitors & thus were minions of the old gods until the Titanforged came down & locked them up in the elemental planes along with bounding the old gods in their titanforged facilities with the aid of the titans themselves.

Ragnaros and Al’akir remained loyal to the old gods for power & dominion, whereas Therazane and Neptulon decided to find some ironic freedom from their confinement — Although I’d wager Ragnaros simply used the old gods as a means to an end, in order to achieve his fiery vision.

Yes, this is in classic, however he was also on the cusp of changing and freeing the Dark irons from Ragnaros and the Twilight Cult as well when Magni has him killed… there’s MONTHS between when he kidnaps Moira and when Magni finally sends the rescue cavalry and kills him.

As for OP’s rant, Moira is somewhat justified, Dwarves as a whole are somewhat misogynistic, and Magni was never happy about having a daughter. As pointed out, the Dark irons were months into reform by time Magni had Dagran I killed thinking Moira was mind controlled, and by his own words was almost ready to stand up to Ragnaros and be rid of him.

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Yeah I think this is a very disappointing retcon.

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Lets be fair here, but what actually characters that are on the main screen did wrong?

By that, i mean, you can tell me “ho but Jaina did Dalaran purge” yes, she did, in MoP, is it brought up? No.

Same for any playable race actually, all of them, once they get to be playable get their “bad” stuff removed, we had that just now on PTR whrn they removed the term “slavery” when Zandalari did it to the goblins.

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To be fair, it isn’t much of a retcon, the plot for the entire classic plot chain is that Magni is 1. A prime example of Bronzebeard Dwarves as a culture giving preferential treatment to men and boys, and 2. late and misinformed.

The only reason he kills Dagran is because the spy tells him his daughter is being mind-controlled into staying with Thaurissian, something the spy assumes after escaping.

And allied with: 1. The Mog TWICE, who are Azeroth’s prime slavers, 2. The Horde and Ogres, Ogres practice slavery enmasse too. Not to mention that the Zandalari caste system is just slavery with extra steps, if you’re stuck with no property of your own working for someone else… that IS slavery.

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Yes, and orcs also did slavery (remember Reghar having Varian as a slave gladiator? yeah yeah that was allowed thing) and in Cata you even have quests given by the friend of Reghar in Durotar to beat up slaves he want to use as gladiators.

But yeah, Dark Iron also do slavery, funny this is no longer a thing and never brought up now that they are playable he.

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?ost retcons function this way though, very few are like “that thing that happened on screen didn’t happen actually”, a lot of them are a character has a general vibe, which was Dagran Thaurissan being evil and enjoying all the evil stuff dark irons did, and the retcon was “uh actually he was a good guy secretly”. This is how like, a good 90% of retcons function in fiction.

Yeah this sucks, really horrible stuff. Moira could be fun if they let her be a bad person.

He wasn’t a good guy, he just rethought his position on serving Ragnaros and the Cult of the Damned. Something he evidently did from hereditary obligation, not very willingly.

We also have zero idea how long before Classic Thaurissian was orphaned, it only says that Thane Thaurissan and Mogdud had him and died sometime after that summoning Ragnaros. For all we know, Dagran I was raised by cultists pretty much. In which case that’s actually character growth, not a retcon.

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Not just Moira, but all the dark iron, if you see how they trying to re-write Thaurisan for example, the guy was clearly a bad guy but nope they are trying to say he tried to make reforms way before Moira was captured…

Its really like, as soon as a group of people become playable, they cant be “bad” they have to all be good…while we are in a game called “world of WARcraft” ofc people will do questionnable things.

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I don’t think retcon is a strong enough word for what is going on with the Dark Irons. Moira’s historical revisionism raid during the anniversary event was some kind of mushroom fueled fever dream that bore no resemblance to actual history.

“AND THEN RAGNAROS APPEARED IN THE THRONE ROOM AND STARTED THROWING FIRE AND GOING ‘RAAAAAAAHR INSECTS’ EXPLOSION NOISES

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Definitely not. Anduin, Turalyon, Sylvanas, Tyrande all exist.

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That is very Alliance-specific.

Mag’har orcs are still very aggro-types, regular orcs are still reformed genociders, forsaken are still… Forsaken. Our races and allied races do not recieve the same degree of sin-washing.

And this isn’t a “wah-wah Horde” post. I would not enjoy having the edginess just washed away. It makes the Alliance races less interesting when they try to retcon away the things that made then darker.

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Peter Frampton Horde

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The Mag’har on the beta of TWW were friendly, and in the short story that was released not so logn ago, they are doing peace with Stromguard to have a place to live in Arathi hghlands…

They dont do that much bad stuff since a while…you even have Calia and Lilian Voss which are good, and the actual bad guys in the council are barely doing stuff.

They are removing the slavery from Zandalari thought…

And well, not mentioning what they did is also trying to hide it.

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Dang it, Li, why you gotta remind me they did defang my people???

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Sorry! But i had to remind! But which one is “your people”

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