Lotto is for plebs. Powerball has way more money.
Yet ppl act like everything in this game means they are gonna lose money if they dont have the most optimal build xD
This also happens in every single player game with any kind of builds/talents/choices too. Forums and subreddits for any kind of game with choices are always flooded with “but what is the best” type of questions.
Has absolutely zero to do with MMORPGs.
A large percentage of modern gamers are lazy, uncreative, and can’t think for themselves. They want everything and anything and they want it the easiest way possible with zero chance for failure.
While I agree with your points, this extends far beyond the mmorpg genre and is a problem rooted in modern gamer culture itself.
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True you have a point there.
Though I believe RPGs in their nature require more thought due to the character building aspect than other games such as fps which makes pandering to such crowds affect mmoRPG games a lot more than an Fps game for example.
So basically you’re throwing unnecessary shade at players who want to follow guides from people who are more experienced with game than they are and understand the current meta (which changes frequently). Aight.
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That’s the exact same as OP except they follow meta build for their spec but tell everyone else they shouldnt, and buy 15 keys.
Great summation of your point and intellectual capacity.
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This mindset has gone on for years, sadly. I remember years ago seeing these types of people in the D&D forums theorycrafting the “ultimate” classes as though they were builds, min-maxing everything and assuming you always had access to whatever you wanted for magic items (equivalent to BiS lists) and you know forgetting that there’s a DM that limits that stuff not just the game itself. And the fact that a good DM should be tailoring encounters so you don’t need to min-max.
It was completely disgusting although in their defense 99% flat out said it was an exercise and not something you would actually do. Didn’t stop that mindset from creeping in though. I threw up a bit in my mouth every time I’d see someone post asking for the “best build” for a Fighter or whatnot. It’s like way to totally miss the point. At the time ironically enough “Go play WoW” was used as an insult to those kind of people.
Anything that has math behind it will be theorycrafted to death and broken down into a “meta” which then gets parroted at a levels of play through a combination of seeing high end people using it to good effect and general peer pressure (i.e. being ridiculed or excluded from content for not blindly following the meta) until it consumes everything.
It’s like a parasite.
Great lack of summation of my actual point which you so conveniently ignored. What’s the matter, don’t have the intellectual capacity to give me a proper response?
I’m sure if you did any content besides wq you’d be using a Meta build too. Stop talking down to others trying to succeed. People cna play however they please.
The problem is when meta overtake everything else. And it always does. There’s “trying to succeed” and just parroting what someone else told you was the one and only way to do anything and then treating anyone who thinks differently as some sort of subhuman
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I don’t think you should ever be telling anyone their build is improper or what they are doing is wrong unless they are seriously under dps healing tanking what have you. But telling someone not to follow a guide or seek help trying to be as powerful as you can makes no sense. Why would you not want to be strong? Cause you wanna fish in boralus for your sub? Not pointing that at you.
Again I want to point out OP is following damn near mm icy veins. I looked it up just to ensure. He’s telling others not to follow guides as he does it. It’s infuriating to me.
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That is exactly the same feeling I have, they are completely missing the point of that game genre.
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I grew up gaming in a time where difficult games required thinking and not just googling the answer.
You’re coming from the perspective of someone who looks up guides when they get stuck and uses words like “aight” as if they are some remarkable closing argument.
We would never agree.
I love MMOs, I absolutely hate anything RTS or first person shooter. Yet I look at Icy Veins for my builds and rotation and hate classic trees as an illusion of choice.
The facts are the facts, likely you will not invent a build that competes with an entire internet’s worth of analysis. This analytical mindset has trickled clear down to paper RPGs, last time I tried to mess with the newer D&D I’d swear it had something like “specs” whereas in second edition the books literally told you if you cared too much about stats you were doing it wrong. So that ship has sailed.
It’s just the way things are. I have more than enough important stuff to think about than feeling a need to reinvent the wheel in a video game.
Oh and I resent the very idea that anyone who plays this game is playing the wrong game. Obviously there’s something they get out of it or they wouldn’t be playing it. This is my favorite genre of game, in fact it’s the only semi-modern video game I play, it’s this or sprite games.
Yet I’ve never been a theorycrafter, I’ll let someone else burn that midnight oil then pick something I like.
It’s analogous to magic the gathering. When I was a kid first starting out, I loved making my own decks. And I got beat the heck down for it, because no one else was doing that, they were all getting their decks from the internet. So now when I do play (mostly done with that game) I get an existing list and tweak it to personal taste.
Much like in this game, I don’t follow every single suggestion, like I’d rather have the movement buff from feral affinity, and a guide isn’t going to change my mind even if I’d die slightly less with guardian.
So I do what I want, but in an informed way. To me there’s nothing wrong with that. This is just my game, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
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None of the content you do requires any thinking and not just googling answer. None of the content I do requires that. None of the content MOST players do requires it.
A good example of this I recently show were some people telling Scripe(who was playing Torghast), a player who knows and understands the class to use immolate and some comments were berating him for not using it in Torghast to the point he bursted out about it and called them out.
Meanwhile because he KNEW his class he knew that immolate wasnt worth it when the shard generation from a million infernals he has was enormous and immolate’s damage was irrelevant at higher levels of the tower.
But these people who did not understand the class or the powers simply follow the guide “You must ALWAYS have immolate up else you are bad”, they dont know why you should do this or that there might be cases you dont want immolate up.
And these people are so delusional and believe they are good that they think they can tell a better player what to do, that is a perfect example of bad player who doesnt understand the game but follows meta guides becomes a toxic moron.
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You’re right, but we aren’t even talking about WoW anymore. This moved into gaming in general. Try to keep up.
Than don’t follow other players. People can play however they choose. It’s 2020 people are whatever they choose to be whether it’s meta build or a unicorn. Try to keep up.
And, I guarantee you look things up when stuck in a game or trying to improveunless you only play tetris. Maybe not always, but you can’t tell me you never have. This thread is so hypocritical.
Congratulations, you grew up during a time when the internet wasn’t available or widely accessible when you were gaming. Want a cookie? The ironic thing about this is that guides for videogames still existed via guide books and manuals, which were widely accessible and used. Following guides just got more convenient and easier, and you think this is a bad thing, because - reasons?
Nice assumption.
What does this even mean?