Check it out another overreaction thread. Some of us are actually excited about the changes to marksman and are really looking forward to trying them. as for outlaw rogue, I never really liked it and I miss my combat rogue. But then again, everybody kept yelling for a pirate spec.
you know something? i think i could be a little bit more persuaded with the change if blizzard had never said "that they want to reimagine MM hunters without a pet, but then are adding a mandatory, non changeable, non interactive, passive P E T!!!
they are clueless. they can still do exactly what they are doing. they can fully rebuild MM from the ground up. give all the utility they are giving and give lust as an actual ability as well, all the while leaving the option to call a pet. they can even give a 10-20% loss in damage if you have a pet, wdc.
having the pet for everything outside of raid and m+ just builds on the mystery and fantasy of being a hunter. no matter what utility they bring forth with the overhaul, there is no utility like a pet for a hunter when it comes to leveling, solo play, farming, delves, etc… and so on.
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Aren’t they getting a state mandated Eagle or something?
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they just let you have any pet in it’s place as a ‘token’ for what the eagle would do. Atleast would help the aesthetics!
Maybe leave rogues alone perhaps? Don’t need Blizz getting dumb ideas,they might get a bit too crazy if they start robbing people of things. I mean they’d kill Fury warriors for me if they removed Titan’s Grip and if they made Unholy DK not able to summon a horde of zombies but like only one or two I’d probably never play Unholy again which is sad as I love my Unholy DK right now. Maybe they should rob the DH before anyone else ends up on that chopping block…DH had it too good for a bit too long
From what I can tell, he honestly can’t help himself. I’ve been watching him bounce around any post related to this and he tends to react the same way to anyone who disagrees with his view point.
Because you immediately came in hot calling them wrong. And unskilled isn’t entirely wrong. One could argue it’s also lazy as well. I know I am guilty of laziness. I’ve been bm since legion. It let’s me completely zone out, get my weeklies and delves done with less than 5% of my attention. Pets do all the hard stuff lol.
You can be chill and discuss things without going “FALSE!” “INCORRECT” or trying to correct someone every time. It’s super condescending.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen cap as “rude”. I think the word we are looking for is “blunt”. And just gets more blunt the more people try and goad them.
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They were wrong though, what else can i say about it? and i said very simple and direct “your point is false, its only that case for M+”
Are you hurt by the way i speak but you are quick to suck up to snozy when he say crap about everyone, pretty hypocritical of you 
It is wrong, because almost all the skilled people doing ranked pvp use it, and good luck calling the top 5 lazy.
Ah now you want to play mr nice guy, but again, you were on board with snozy being a condescending jerk for several posts to other, and didnt call anyone being a troll telling people to play BM, so you dont get to play the “im civil and chill” card, sorry
ah, belittling people can calling then UNSKILLED is being ““blunt”” but when i say someone made a “false” argument im being “condescending”, again, very hypocritical, which is path of the course for you.
Because its blizzard™ way of doing things.
did you got tired of the thread you create to troll people?
You can be up for the changes and still want the pet, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Realistically, the MM pet is not a very good or necessary tank.
If something’s going to live long enough that MD falls off, it probably kills the pet before that happens. Even if the pet’s still alive, after MD falls off, you’ll pull aggro pretty quickly with how little damage the pet does.
If MD doesn’t fall off, you should be killing it before it’s any danger to the hunter.
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I have serious doubts about that. Even if they do, our own pets are better.
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Just let them have a Pet that does 1 damage, or a glyph to give them a Pet that does 0 damage. Why remove so much class flavor.
World of Warcraft is a game played by millions of players. The mere notion of “but it could’ve been an option” … congratulations, everything is now an option. There’s a change that makes sense and is perfectly in-line with how players behave and want judging by their in-game actions? Nope, you now get an “option” rather than a change that makes sense.
Don’t forget to multiply that sentiment by at least one or two million since there’s a few million players the world over. Since one group of players get their options, everyone else (or at least some arbitrary random other groups) also need their options.
I’m not ignoring what you, and others, are saying. What I’m saying is that what you are saying is at best irrelevant. Because these types of changes occur for everyone as that’s the way you have to do things when you are making a product for literally millions of people. This change is catering to what Marksmanship hunters have, on some level judging by their playpattern and discourse surrounding it, wanted going back around ten years.
Adding “options” to things that are, at best irrelevant, is how you create bloat. What you are proposing is a mentality that just creates an endless amount of “optional bloat.” This is why what you are saying isn’t a realistic or sensible suggestion, sorry.
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It doesn’t for M+, it doesn’t for raid, it mostly doesn’t for PvP, and BM is strictly superior in all solo content.
So like… ???
We aren’t talking about adding some new option that’s been plucked out of thin air. We’re talking about retaining the most core aspect of the class that’s been there since the beginning. Lone wolf was the option. Why not just scrap that instead? Simplify things that way? If the problem is that people wanted to be lone wolves because it did higher damage then take away that choice. Now there’s no decision to be made, and you’re not having to compromise your damage to have access to bloodlust. Isn’t that just as valid a direction since options are apparently a bad thing?
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It does for pvp, it does for delves, it does for questing, it does for RP.
so? i still want to do with MM, like i’ve being doing for several years, you are one of those 
gO pLaY bM hUntEr crowd?
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Metaslaves don’t understand freedom and player choice. They legit don’t have a concept of it.
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And this is the problem with all of this:
If we are talking about the class identity … you still have two specializations that are fully integrated with pets. However… MM didn’t really play into that, which is why with WoD they introduced Lone Wolf.
Which has been the default for MM for ten years now. Half of WoW’s lifetime, MM has been for all intents and purposes a petless specialization. Which… considering that the other two options actually made use of the pet in both theme and gameplay, makes a whole load of sense.
Folks didn’t pick Lone Wolf back during Warlords because “it did higher damage”, folks wanted it to do higher damage … so they could be justified in picking it in PvE situations so they could purposefully avoid having to rely on the pet AI. Which only further made MM’s role as a physical ranged damage dealer more and more pronounced as simply just that, especially with the characters that during Legion associated themselves with Marksmanship.
When was the last time you saw Sylvanas or Alleria pull out a pet and use Kill Command exactly?
MM’s identity is that of a petless ranged physical damage dealer. So they are replacing something irrelevant for something that is relevant. That’s all that’s happening. There’s no “Oh my gosh, they are taking away hunter’s pets!” or anything else of that nonsensical outrage. They are replacing something which hasn’t been relevant for MM for at least ten years, with something which would suit the specialization more.
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If you’re a hunter who likes pet, just play BM. At least you can stick with the same class.
Us rogues don’t have an option. Hunters are spoil.
Makes me wonder if all the hunters who are nagging about losing pets as MM even play the spec. Also, when the changes go live will it force them to roll to another class? Either way, lowering the hunter population isn’t so bad. Survival of the fittest. The good ones can stay.
Translation for the other users:
“This is the problem im creating to pretend there is an issue that need to be fixed”
And that is dumbt, when that is the class identity, all specs should have that, its asinine to think one should not have the core option of the class.
It played for 20 years, it might not be the most optimal in the last 10, but it was there available for everyone as option.
It was in WoD they removed pet, and had to put back again, because majority of the players wanted.
Again, false, only for a group of MM players, not everyone play into that.
Again, an exaggerated lie.
They did.
They are not the only hunters, let alone MM hunters in the game or lore, and citting then is completely moronic, when blizz is forcing a bird, when both of then not use one anyway.
irrelevant for you***
MM identity is a spec that can chose to be a petless ranged physical damage dealer, or a physical damage dealer accompanied with his pet
MM identity however, i not a falconeer with a spotter eagle.
It wasnt relevant for you****
gO pLaY bM hUntEr
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It’s not. It’s also the case for raiding.
And solo content if you know how to cc.
So your understanding of right and wrong is very flawed, fueled by your own bias.
And no I’m not hurt by some random aggro person on a gaming forum. You must think pretty highly of yourself if that’s the case lol.
Also notice I’ve rarely ever liked any of snozay’s posts. Also notice they haven’t posted once in this thread.
So your sad attempts to paint me as whatever you are attempted to do… has failed. Yet again.
Disingenuous tangent. No one was talking about pvp.
^ Since you seem to have forgotten.
I’m nice until you decide to talk down to me.
And you keep bringing that poster up, like I’ve been following them around copy/pasting what they say and liking all their posts. Please refer to the other topics since you seem to be very confused.
Actually, since my profile isn’t hidden. You can click on my profile and view my likes and my like history if you want.
It is being blunt. It’s not my fault or anyone else’s that you choose to constantly be offended by what was said.
Even snow agreed to an extent.
And it is a false statement because it’s based off your subjective opinion.
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The problem is only for M+, raid you most likely have another caster who can lust.
Good luck CC mobs immune to stun L
Because you are right and im wrong? and you have no bias? 
I do think high of myself yeah, everyone should do that, self esteem is important, just be careful to not become insufferable with huge ego like your buddy snozy
Sure 
PVP is part of the game, so you should not exclude any part of the content.
And is relevant because the user in person did not even consider the mode to exist
Your facade isnt fooling anyone who read these threads mate, just own it
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you know a thread is going well when you start seeing quote wars.