Mistweaver Needs Brez or Lust or Self Rez

Classes Monk
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Mistweavers are on the short end of the stick when it comes to bringing utility for the group.

Not going over all CDs but just the major ones:

Shamans have link, self rez, and lust.
Evokers can lust.
Druids can brez.
Paladins can brez and have 8 seconds of taking zero damage with divine shield.

Preists can rapture and monks can cocoon, but if someone dies or you die, you’re at a massive disadvantage.

Why can’t mistweavers be given a brez or lust or ankh? Replace revival (has always been terrible IMO) with any of those and mistweaver would be way more played and useful.

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BUMP - would love to see MW get some love and utility changes.

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You can buy battle rez on the AH.

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B rez would be nice. Lust IDC about tbh. I can almost always fill groups with someone with lust - but it really sucks when I have to constantly make sure to bring both someone with b rez AND someone with lust in m+, ( and possibly even a backup B rezzer. )

It really limits group formations tbh, esp if you run with friends who don’t run lust/b rez classes. You either bench them and take a chance at pugs, or roll with it without those important tools and most likely not time the key - unless someone was willing to dump ike 12-15k in gold for engi rezzes and drum lusts.

They arent that great but rarely they help. On higher key levels you don’t really always have the time/luxury to look for a dead person, walk around/through pools of bad to their corpse, and channel a rez on them for 2-4-6 seconds. ( all while doing mechanics and healing ) It could mean you, or someone else dies. Plus if that person died in a pool of bad, or got knocked somewhere weird, you cant get to them at all. Depending on how long it takes to get a chance to rez someone too much time could have passed and that loss of dps could mean the key is bricked now.

Depending on the dungeon/adds/pull/mechanics/current phase that boss is in it might be impossible to get the rez off for quite some time, if at all. The engi rez only gives 35% health too so if the person takes the rez when unavoidable damage happens or a pool of bad was dropped where I initiated the rez - they will die instantly. They are very unreliable but good to have IF everything lines up.

Dawnbreaker our Paly tank and the main b rez dps died at the start of the 2nd phase of Rasha because the dawn was a bit farther than normal ( their words ). Luckily they died right when there was a 15+ second break from anything and their bodies were sent to the last zone, because I was able to rez them both/save the key. It’s very rare the engi b rez makes any difference, esp the higher up you go, but this was one of those cases.
This was probably the only time in all DF/TWW so far that they saved a key though. In DF the rez bracers were useful maybe a dozen or two times iirc, possibly saving a wipe here and there. ( even though we most likely bricked the timer by then in those runs )

I will also add
Rebirth 100% health, 20% mana
Soulstone 60% health, 20% mana
Intercession 60% health, 20% mana
Raise ally 100% health, 20% mana

Engi Rez 35% health, 10% mana. ( no change between ranks, ranks only change cast time from 6,4,2 seconds depending on rank )

EVERY healer should have a b rez. Lust IDC about tbh.

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Why stop at mistweaver. Give it to baseline monk. Lust or bres would make us more viable. Heck I only take a hunter because they have lust. I take mages even though most are awful in pugs because of lust.

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We have literally been asking for some utility like this for YEARS!

When it was announced that another class was getting bres, I was sure it was us because we have super low representation but then it got given to pallies instead.

For some reason all that ever happens to monks is that we get some band-aid skill that throws more hps at the problem, we are brokenly good in raid one season then sparta kicked by nerfs back down to the bottom. It makes zero sense lol

And yes, the only thing I can say is to use engy bres. It’s tough to use as you have to be right on them but it has saved my group many times.

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I’m not opposed to a battle rez, but overall the mythic+ meta is virtually never dictated by which specs have or don’t have battle Rez or hero.

Prot warriors went from meta in early DF season 1, to not meta for a while, now back to meta despite not having hero or battle rez (or really much utility at all).

Dps DKs were bad all of DF despite having a battle rez

Resto shamans weren’t that good all of DF despite having hero, and are now considered OP despite their kit not really changing at all.

Feral, enhance, and elemental historically struggle to be meta despite having battle res/hero.

Shadow was meta all of DF with no battle rez or hero, and disc was also strong.

Some meta comps have multiple hero classes, where having hero has zero benefit.

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I’d be happy to take anything at this point!
It seems, in general, monk is a disregarded class :frowning:

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It really does feel like Monk is a very overlooked class by Blizz. Every single spec needs work in some way and yet we NEVER hear anything back from devs about the state of the class.

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Every healer should have some sort of failsafe like brez. I’d be ok if they gave us a nerfed brez that gives them a decaying shield and health absorb equal to their health so it isn’t exactly free and separates the classes.

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I’m not disagreeing but the simple fact is bres and lust are needed at high keys. If dks or rets didn’t have a bres I wouldn’t take them unless they overheated the content. They are also quite tanky.

Adding a bres gives us a better chance to getting picked up.

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I dont play MW much but honestly, they’ve been the least on demand spec for most expansions since their introduction. A good utility is long due. We monks are starving right now.

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This is very misleading. When has the M+ meta ever not had lust or a brez? Having a brez or lust doesn’t make your class/spec meta but that doesn’t mean the meta isn’t dictated by these abilities because the meta comp will always have both.

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Very weird they gave shamans mastery buff

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i dont think mistweavers is Short on anything. Its Monk overall. The 5% phys buff is useless there not many classes that are full phys anymore. Lust,bres, or any kind of buff be vers,avoidance,dmg reduction,crit, we just need something that make us more valuable.Anything would help or external (bring back the og zen meditation)

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I happen to disagree with you about MW being short at least currently, because the spec has been gutted to the point where it’s a “hps healer” without top hps and with no raid cooldowns that anyone cares about. (Most guilds that I have been in do not even include Revival in the cooldown rotation because it doesn’t do enough healing to make much of a difference.)

I do agree with you that the class as a whole needs looked at again though and that the phys damage buff is not good enough.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - this class being unpopular is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s neglected because few people play it but few people because it’s neglected.

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Why not just give all healers a Brez like FF14 has? Level the playing field in that regard at least.

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Have you ever tried using those brezes as tank or healer in keys?

I use them as Brewmaster in my keys and my stagger goes NUTS in those 3-4 seconds. Not to mention its like 1 yard cast range.

At least half the bosses have pools/poop on the ground where folks die.

Every single other healer has either lust or brez. Monk is literally the only one. (and priest)
With your logic, we should remove all Brezes. Just use AH brez. And lust too. Just use drums.

afaik, all 3 monk specs just suck.
We are the worst tank spec for keys. Not too sure about raid tanking.
WW are D-tier for raids and like C tier for keys,
Abd MW just…well, you said it.

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It’s not ideal, but as a healer I’ve used the Eng rez plenty including in past expansions.

Priests don’t have hero or a battle rez either and they are meta fairly often.

Resto shamans don’t suck in keys for the first time in a while, having hero in DF didn’t save them.

In all of shadowlands the meta healers were holy paladins then holy priests and neither had hero or battle rez (paladins didn’t get rez until DF).

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I mean. people didn’t have air conditioning 100 years ago. Not really a justification for not having one today.

It’s cool and all to look at older xpacs, but we are not in SL nor in DF…we are in TWW.
and in TBC only druids had brez.

Not everyone has played shadowlands.
Not everyone has played Dragonflight either.
Said players shoudn’t be punished because they missed the era of their spec being meta.

I’ve never played legion or mop. Was Brewmaster good then? Is it a justification how having brewmaster at the bottom of the keys?

Holy priest being good in SL, is it a justification for holy priest being, arguably, the worst healer for m+ today?

It’s not.

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