The choice of thalyssra going horde was rational. The blood elves actually worked on their efforts on making them join our team. It’s called diplomacy. Tyrande should try it once in a while before she starts talking crap on others just for being different.
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I am mocking Thalyssra for only seeing one side of the picture. Not the blood elves for being good smooth-talkers.
Tyrande literally allied with humans and void elves, and recruited worgen and draenei, so your last point is moot.
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Tyrande was clearly upset because of Thalyssra’s beauty and charm. She knew once Thalyssra took one step into Teldrassil, Malfurion would be tempted.
Thalyssra is just more fun than Tyrande.
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Humans are just boring. There is nothing special joining them. Horde however is cool and exotic. So they win big times by joining the other magical elves with them.
I agree with that.
Okay, congrats, you won the coolness points. Hope you’re delighted.
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The choice of any races in the Broken Isles joining either faction wasn’t rational, because joining a faction at war right after your people were being butchered left-and-right by the Legion and your society got halfway demolished is patently idiotic.
Made all the more so when the quests to recruit them effectively amounted to “we need bodies to throw at the other faction, so go convince some people to die in large numbers for our causes that they have no stake in.” The whole thing was dumb and a shallow excuse to give people shiny new toys that don’t matter.
Becoming playable is bad for any race’s story. It means saddling them with empty-headed justifications for faction hate and demoting them from being nations in their own right to token pallet-swaps for grunts and footmen. It’s been shown time and again, yet people continue to vapidly clamor for their favorite fancy new NPC races to join the rest as hollow cosmetic slots in the factions’ tech trees.
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I hope we get even more cool allied race who are true horde patriots after some time. For the horde!
As always, my goodness. Greatest poster on the forum.
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You’re posting this ironically right?
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Not really no
I’m not sure how we’re ever going to get any actual morally grey writing if people froth at the mouth any time a character does something that isn’t entirely nicey nice. I also wonder why we keep holding characters to such standards where they say negative things and it’s reacted to as if it made a difference in their actions.
Tyrande’s words were perfectly in line with someone about to risk the lives of those under her command for the sake of a cause. Thalyssra might be nice, the Nightborne in general, however, are not nice. We see this throughout even the quest chains (that I adore), in dealing with them. They exile their own in the hundreds to doom them to slow deaths, they have rigid caste divisions, and are, indeed, addicted to mana. Their society is everything Tyrande saw nearly destroy the night elves, with an additional ten thousand years to fester, and she is now committing her troops to helping to free them. Her words were honestly very, very laid back in the context of what was happening.
And her words didn’t reflect her actions either, since she did in fact send the kaldorei forces to help. I know people get a bee in their bonnet about Alliance (female characters almost exclusively, it seems) characters saying somewhat harsh things, but speaking objectively as someone who has willingly done the Nightborne chain about four times now… what she said wouldn’t even be considered harsh for a high school debate class, let alone a meeting of nations on the brink of world’s end.
Also, Arcane was distrusted and disliked in kaldorei society because the general school of thought was that it attracted the Legion, hence Illidan being imprisoned for making a new Well of Eternity, which in their eyes, given all they knew, was basically him lighting up a giant ‘Come eat our souls’ sign for all demons to see. Later on, it was learned otherwise, but everyone, including the Highborne, thought this was the case for many, many centuries.
Also the idea that someone (if serious) believes Knaak of all people writes Tyrande best is quite frankly baffling.
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Says Erevien, with the flying unicorn
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That cause being to defeat the Legion, the same as the Blood Elves and the Nightborne rebels. The Night Elves don’t get points for participating in a cross-faction battle against an enemy that threatened the entire world.
My annoyance with Tyrande’s characterization throughout the Suramar quests was that there was no growth from the time she began until the end, where she witnessed firsthand Thalyssra’s commitment to leading her people to change by destroying the Nightwell, the source of power that protected and sustained them for 10,000 years. What could be more emblematic of their willingness to change than that?
For good reason. The Void Elves are a clear danger to Quel’thalas as evidenced in the Nightborne Allied Race quest where Alleria’s presence at the Sunwell corrupted it and void beings began to spill out.
There’s nothing more precious to the Blood Elves than their Sunwell.
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Oh god, it’s this thread again.
I don’t know what feeling of mine is stronger - having to yet again bear witness to these threads, or to see alliance posters froth at the mouth over nightborne two years later.
Oy. Both are strong.
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Yet another example of Blizzard misusing Tyrande outside of her supposed characterization to prop up another’s.
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Why the hell am I still here?
This is completely in character for Tyrande. Boggles the mind.
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Knaak wrote Tyrande as a Priestess of Elune. Elune… the goddess who literally loves everything and treats all creatures of azeroth with care. I don’t recall a single instance where she harmed a native creature of Azeroth, it always seems to be naga or demons. He didn’t write her as xenophobic. She was the only one who wasn’t xenophobic toward Broxigar. So yes, I think Knaak did a great job portraying a Priestess of Elune as a kind caring individual who fed Broxigar and brought him into the temple to receive a blessing.
Knaak also allowed Tyrande to go to Zin’Azshari to visit Azshara by herself. None of this moaning “Oh but my love Malfurion needs to go with me!”. No… she went by herself and dealt with the situation by herself. She dealt with Vashj by herself. It was a complete change from the woman we’ve seen until recently.
I like what they’re doing with Tyrande currently, (like in the most recent novel they gave reference to her old younger self when she was a kind priestess), but for the past few years she’s been way too dependent and blizzard has gotten flak for it, rightfully so.
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knaaks Tyrande was one of the worse thing what ever happened to her.
Tyrande is a Warriorpriest, Elunepriests are powerfull and badass WARRIORPRIESTS, they are Paladins per default, but they are in no way 100% Kind, tyrande in WOTA was a Spite toward night elfs, compaired to the night elf Leader we want to see.
The Nightborne litteraly betrayed the rebellion, why should tyrande be kind towards traitors?
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Tyrande wasn’t always a warrior priest. And if Blizzard didn’t want her portrayed as such they shouldn’t have had Knaak portray her that way in three books. And they shouldn’t have had it portrayed in a glimpse in their newest novel.
How did the Nightborne betray the rebellion? They cut ties when Azshara summoned the legion and then barricaded themselves inside their city. It was a poor retcon because I guess people just didn’t think to look outside for 10,000 years.
Tyrande should be kind because… the city was the heart of Elune worship in the Keldorei empire. Again very poor retcon by Blizzard in this instance because while in the books and games they went looking for Suramar and found it destroyed. However now lore suggests they didn’t look at all.
Tyrande, High Priestess of Elune, didn’t bother to go inspect the Temple of Elune in Suramar and notice a big shield around the place?
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The nightborn fought for a while during WOTA at Azshara’s side. The rebellion was driven out of Suramar and fought. Only when the demons wanted to open a second gate, Suramar turned away and closed it. Until then they supported Azshara in everything. When the Rebellion was repulsed, almost defeated, they tried to reach Suramar, but they stood at closed gates because Suramar didn’t think anyone could defeat the Legion, so they more or less gave the night elves the finger and thought they would just die outside.
Tyrande should have gentle sides, but not be kind as a person. The night elves - also in the book - also the priests of Elune are not only leaders, they are also defenders of the people, they ride into battle on horseback and lead the troops.
The thing with the orc and all that, no, that was just nonsense, WOTA ruined the night elves and the whole WOTA in many ways. It’s one of the worst things that has ever happened toward the night elves.
The originaly WOTA was an 250 Years of war between two of the most powerful armies the universe has ever seen. The night elves on one side and the legion on the other, plus Wild Gods and dragons.
That was the original WOTA. With huge legions of night elves that were then fighting all over the world against the onrushing legions. Millions of demons, for 250 years, there were even descriptions of how the battles made whole landscapes tremble.
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