Telling the truth is now “bashing”. There is no development of the spec, just trying to get 2h somewhere in the ballpark of where DW is. No focus on the spec, and all focus is on a weapon set all because “transmog is not an option NO!”
Funny how things work out huh.
Duel wield should be the cleave spec, 2h should be for ST. Makes the most sense
“No development of the spec” Except the fact that obliterate now has a way to scale with mastery, Or the fact that we now have a raid tool baked into the class, Also ignoring death coils healing value for pvp since we no longer need a target to strike. I mean if you asked me i think theyve done quite a lot and have been focusing on the spec. AND ONTOP OF THAT, theyve been working on changes to make 2h really be the obliterate spec. All of this and its still earlyish beta
Please no. Potentially requiring 5 weapons to be optimal or at least 3, would be atrocious.
See, that first sentence is kind of my concern: DW has two multipliers: RotFC and Razorice whereas 2h can only have one of them. Sure Obliterate does Frost damage now that benefits from Mastery, i think pigeonholing 2h to have one of them could lead it to have a potential scaling issue.
History stated that MotFW once increased Obliterate damage by 85% in WoD and it still had issues. I am happy to see MotFW return but I’m just concerned about history is about to repeat itself. I think that 25% damage increase on Obliterate, sure it’s nothing to sniff at at the beginning of the expansion, but again, kinda worried that it will be overshadowed in a long run.
Obliterate also didnt deal frost damage and didnt dip into our mastery and still had to go through armor. I mean the past only means so much when theres still a lot that is different between current wow and W 
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I was assuming 0 mastery for it all. But the talent does force you to use these abilities. It would be a different story if it was the Cata version of MotFW, but now there has been 3 different versions of MotFW, melee damage increase, melee damage increase with Obliterate buff which combined with the melee damage buff, and now just an obliterate buff and KM proc increase. DW has relatively stated the same aside from the Frost Strike buff in MoP and WoD.
That is true. If that’s the case, I believe Razorice is far too important to give up for Frost spec in general. I’ll miss the 15% strength multiplier when i’m 2h Frost.
EDIT: Kind of a reason why I plan to stick to DW in Shadowlands but will try 2h on other Dks.
So getting things back that we already had aside from KM rank 2. Thats not development, thats copying.
I still wonder what the numbers are for this. Even though above it seems like strength might be better overall, I am interested to see the difference between razorice and fallen crusader during the obliteration window.
It wasnt ever development when they just pruned the class to force people into duel wield either, Dont talk to me until you do even just a single bfa raid boss on any difficulty or even decide to que a couple arenas to get your 1400
And this is arguing for the sake of arguing.
I predict that Razorice will be better because it will fully multiply off of your Strength, Weapon and Mastery. Fallen Crusader merely multiplies your Strength. Razorice multiplies everything you do as long as you deal Frost damage.
Dont forget to mention that it has a melee damage buff that increased the damage of auto attacks and weapon strikes. It wasnt just 85% obliterate damage. 35% melee damage increase and 50% increase to Obliterate to make Obliterate have an 85% increase. It also had 35% increased frost strike damage while DW only had 50% frost strike damage increase.
Never said it was development, it was however for easy balance.
Dont forget to mention it didnt turn into frost damage and didnt ignore armor and didnt dip into our mastery pool for increased damage ontop of that
The truth is the truth.
Yeah, and I just read that KM procs turns into 100% frost damage, so it will be better for sure. I was unsure what the split was when i posted above.
I am thrilled with this tbh. I wanted 2h frost to smack with big obliterates in PvP, and it looks like that is what is shaping up.
I know this is a silly thing, but seeing my obliterate damage as one number instead of two feels better. As an aside, is there an add-on that combines MH/OH numbers in combat text?
Not that I know of on top of my head.
To be fair, 2h was like the physical side of Frost which is kind of questionable at the time.
Yup, But now in SL KM rank 2 makes it do frost, Literally obliterate is currently the top damaging ability on beta, 2h is looking very competitive and thats despite all these disadvantages it has. Literally theres months before the xpac launches and blizzard is making it clear that they are aware of the issues and are seeking to fix them