Method say Blizzard Do - A Mythic + Rant

[Rhulos-durotan (Rhulos)]

Honestly, they (blizzard) don’t care…if i was a betting gnome i am guess 15%ish of wow populations do keys 15ish and up and do mythic raiding

Sucks that the reward system is catering to that 15% instead of the 85% that play it recreationally, you know like a game we want to have fun in. Blizzard should not be balancing the game around people who make this game their job. Make this challenging sure. Im up for a challenge. But dont give me the challenge and then nerf my reward because some people dedicate their work life to this game. I work to game. I dont game to work.

Pretty sure M+ participation is massively down this xpac exactly because Blizzard decided to start catering dungeons to that 1% crowd.

Although it’s kind of funny that we can now get to almost the same gear level as top M+ rewards just for turning in pearls that we get from Bejeweled and Jumping Jellies.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

I don’t care about Method, they’re outliers. But I can say that myself and pretty much all of my raid team had the majority of our gear come from m+ over raiding. Like a pretty large majority. That’s just from my experience though, I’m not sure what you’re basing your statements on.

[anon74114009]

Pretty sure M+ participation is massively down this xpac exactly because Blizzard decided to start catering dungeons to that 1% crowd. Wonder how much further it’ll drop with this latest change.

Yeah the MDI scene was fun at first like arena. Now it’s starting to change how the majority of us try to have fun in an attempt to make MDI more entertaining.

Esports are the death of everything in the mmo genre.

[Taree-khadgar (Taree)]

Well previously it was 5 i-levels short of mythic gear, but there was a fairly high chance of forging. Now I believe it’s actually 5 i-levels above heroic. I might be wrong on that, I’m just going by what I heard.

I don’t believe it’s ever been like that, but I didn’t play much the first season. In season 2, the end-of-dungeon gear has always been heroic ilvl.

[Darktalon-antonidas (Darktalon)]

Let blizzard cut their own throat by catering to hardcore elite raiders. It will hit them in the pocket books. No worries.

[Beefytank-destromath]

What I am saying is there is nothing wrong with mythic+. It has never offered the same gear as mythic raids, ever.

If the raid gear design was poor thats a seperate issue.

I dont care for the fact that classes are designed to be played at mythic level gear. It leaves lower levels to be clunky and seem broken. Hence not caring for a game design around professional players that really dont have any influence.

Also mythic + is their E-sport. I cant see blizzard forcing mythic + players to raid in order to compete in mythic+.

[Rhulos-durotan (Rhulos)]

Pretty sure M+ participation is massively down this xpac exactly because Blizzard decided to start catering dungeons to that 1% crowd. Wonder how much further it’ll drop with this latest change.

Yeah the MDI scene was fun at first like arena. Now it’s starting to change how the majority of us try to have fun in an attempt to make MDI more entertaining.

Esports are the death of everything in the mmo genre.

They think they’re pro sports, but forget that pro sports are the teeny tiny top of a gigantic pyramid of everyone from Michael Jordan down to your local basketball court, most of which operates completely outside of the pro jurisdiction.

Imagine if the NBA owned and operated every court in America and people had to play NBA rules on NBA-regulation courts and pay an entrance fee for all of their pickup games.

That’s basically esports. Blizzard changed M+ to be MDI-worthy and in the process killed their own grassroots support.

[Silaena-tol-barad]

Once players hit that heroic level of 430 there will be little reason to keep dedicating 1+ hour of our time each week for mythic plus unless we want to spin the RNG machine.

I see you are one of those guys who only do one m+ run per week for the weekly cache.
You might find it absurd, but a lot of people do m+ for the challenge, with gearing having little to do with it.
At the end of the day, it sounds like a you problem to me.

[anon74114009]

All the end rewards for a 10 have always been heroic range and the weekly is always 10 higher if you did your highest.

Personally I’d be alright with knocking the rewards down by 5 so that 10’s reward 5 below heroic and have the weekly chest reward 5 above it. It would make the rare titanforge still a nice piece but keep our power levels right between heoric and mythic.

That is one compromise I could live with if it came to it. I’m mainly there for the fun of pushing keys but I deff enjoy the gear that comes with it.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

People really need to stop watching the MDI and streamers. It would make the game a much better place.

[Rhulos-durotan (Rhulos)]

People really need to stop watching the MDI and streamers. It would make the game a much better place.

Tell me about it. There is a substantial set of people who PvP just like one popular streamer and it makes me bring as many roots as possible just so I can stop them from strafing back and forth like their life depends on it.

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

Did they ever give mythic level rewards? I thought they only gave heroic +5.

[anon74114009]

I’ve always wondered how good pvp would be right now if arena never became a thing. The 3v3 aspect is somewhat balanced due to them balancing around it.

But 10 and up suffer greatly and in turn take the other 75% of pvp and turn it into a global zergfest.

Supposed to be world of warcraft the problem is they left the war part out when they decided to make arenas their balance point.

[Tatertot-darkspear (Tatertot)]

Blizzard has not confirmed or denied anything but this was in the ptr. Blizzard needs to clarify this before release or else they will have another situation where people are expecting one thing based on the ptr and get another thing on live just like the 415 weapon “bug”.

Dude this quote wat not even talking about this… I was talking to the other person about 15% fo pete sakes

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

Blizzard announced that they would bring down the weekly chest rewards to heroic level quality.

Nitation ceeded.

[Beefytank-destromath]

Blizzard changed how mythic + loot worked this xpac. Completing a 15 level key was a guaranteed 3 chest reward if I remember correctly. Completing in time added to that.

More loot means more chances to titanforge.

If completing mythic + is a challenge vs the loot, the same can be said about mythic raiding. Its not about the gear its about the challenge.

There is no issue and if blizzard is seriously thinking this is something that needs to be changed in the game 9.0 is going to be more hot trash. There are by far bigger issues in this Beta release than loot levels.

[Awkward-frostmourne (Awkward)]

They give Heroic from the run, but Mythic -5 from the cache. Not factoring in TF/WF of course.

What OP is an upsetti spaghetti about is that until TEP (Mythic IIRC) is released, gear from M+ will be capped so you can’t just spam M+ all week and get full 430+ before mythic actually opens.

[Tessa-thunderhorn]

I thought running M+ wasn’t about the gear? I absolutely despise M+ myself. I always thought dungeons should be just a rung in the ladder for getting geared for raids, not handing out raid level gear.

Raiding should not be the only way to get gear. I do believe Mythic raiding should receive the highest ilvl since it requires more people. Highest level M+ mechanics can be debated are harder than most if not all mythic raiding mechanics.

I think the confusion is in numbers. 5 ilvl difference in BFA is not the same as 5 ilvl difference in other expansions.

[Synsha-greymane (Synsha)]

+10 drops 400 = Heroic
Weekly chest of +10 drops 410 = Heroic +10

With consistent weekly 410’s and the repeatable nature of M+, it’s fairly straight forward to get to mythic ilvls.

My 8/9M Druid, that consistently pushes +18-+20 keys regularly: Ilvl = 416.
My 9/9H 1/9M Paladin, that does 1 +10 key a week: Ilvl = 414.

As to the OP… This sounds like fake news… They always cap it down for the first week so that all the mythic teams aren’t spamming M+ to get quick 430 gear in prep for Mythic opening. They learned from their mistake with EN to do this…

[Awkward-frostmourne (Awkward)]

Raiding should not be the only way to get gear. I do believe Mythic raiding should receive the highest ilvl since it requires more people. Highest level M+ mechanics can be debated are harder than most if not all mythic raiding mechanics.

I mean, if gear capped at +20’s or higher, I’d agree with you.

Doing a 10 for the highest possible ilvl reward is a complete joke in terms of difficulty.