Not being able to run normal and Heroic is killing this phase. Why this change and not RDF sooner? More money for blizzard from selling gold? Too busy tanking S1 D4?
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Yeah. It seems silly we cant do normal and heroic. Like ToGC takes 30 minutes anyway.
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Personally, I’m not a fan of RDF, and am curious as to why you’ve decided to make this an RDF thread, rather than stick to the topic, but yeah… I feel this phase would be better if there were two different lockouts.
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why would you want to run it 4 times and 3 out of the 4 none of the loot matters
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I don’t see the link with RDF… nobody run dungeons except on the first weeks of the season.
But the only thing that IMO was wrong is that the BOE only drops in normal, hence our guild cash flow is terrible this tier.
please no, I’m already tired of togc
So if nobody needs the loot, don’t run it?
Btw, the reason somebody might want to run both normal and heroics is to help jump the gap for undergeared players.
If you need something from heroic, you wouldn’t want to “waste” your lockout on a normal run…even though you wouldn’t mind spending that 30 minutes running normal with one of your friends/guildies/for funsies to parse.
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pretty sure that’s exactly the same sentiment i expressed.
My apologies. I thought you were sharing that you were against having the option to run all difficulties on separate lockouts.
i am. no one needs the gear. in either 10 man nor 25 man normal (minute one drama item) but we would be obligated to run all 4 lest we be 3 months in still trying to farm emblems for triumph tier items, there’s a reason they 180’d on separate normal/heroic lockouts in icc
my friends and guildies do heroic togc, normal mode is for the gold farming guildless paladin raid leaders
I need the gear on a few alts.
I realize I’m “nobody” to you, but I’d bet there are quite a few “nobodies” like me who would like to take advantage of this.
I also fail to understand how you’d be obligated to run all 4 difficulties of TOGC. What for?
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Thank god for normal mode huh, otherwise you wouldn’t have completed a single togc raid. Maybe be a bit nicer to the alts and new starters.
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because under the old system the best trinkets weren’t unique, so people wanted double solace, double DC, ect
We would largely be forced to be running the damn place 4 times a week
You can make the trinkets unique without disabling doing both modes. Thats seems like a pretty obvious solution doesn’t it.
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I mean i gather you’re trying to insult me in that i haven’t completed togc 25 heroic on this toon, but i don’t know what your point is in the greater context of this thread.
Maybe you thought that my point was that togc should be heroic mode only, but that would be incorrect. My point was that i support normal and heroic sharing the same lockout.
You don’t want to do a raid twice, that you haven’t even finished once.
It’s pretty amusing.
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First of all i don’t wanna do a raid 4 times, i assume you’re looking at my logs for this character so you can see i’ve completed 10 man heroic multiple times.
and yes this character being my alt has only been to 4/5 pug 25s and i would indeed rather to 4/5 once rather than a full normal followed by a 4/5 heroic.
there’s no inconsistency with my statements but if it makes you feel better you can check out my main too: phobowarrior and see that i have completed all versions of togc on that character.
with all that said if you have an actual point to make (…you know one that would be relevant to this thread…) this would be the time.
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i love how some comments crying about “we don’t want to do the raid 4x times” like what the hell? how can people be this Dumb…raid having separated lockouts Doesn’t Mean you must do it 4x times…you can just clear 25H and 10H as you’re already doing now and never touch normal if you don’t want, most people just clear 25h and don’t bother to even go 10m H anyway, people should be given the choices and then it’s up to them to select what they want to do…but i guess too many slaves playing classic who think that they must do bla bla bla because it just exist.
but hell yes i agree that blizzard not allowing players to run both normal and heroic is one among many retarded moves they did in Wotlk classic.
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because guilds wouldn’t be insisting on doing all 4 to keep up the emblems needed turn in your trophies to make your 4 set. (remember the number of emblem drops was increased because of the combining). and of course for that 25man normal DC