Megathread: The Other Half of the Dragon Fantasy - DRAKONIDS

Note that this isn’t being suggested to replace Dracthyr. :slight_smile: They have their place, even if it isn’t to everyone’s taste. My request is that Drakonid be added in tandem, to compliment Dracthyr by contrast. To give those who identity with other facets of the dragon fantasy a race they can identity with.

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Oh for sure. I was only saying if this did happen and they incorporated current models to mix with Drakonids as the comment above mine suggested, I wouldn’t play it. I am 100% on board making Drakonids a playable race.

update. Nevermind I re-read what was said I was wrong. Carry on!

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All good!

I just like to temper the Dracthyr bashing where I can. They’re fine - their only fault is that they’re not Drakonid, and that’s on Blizzard. They certainly weren’t what I was expecting, either, but I can’t hold that against them. I can only champion something that does fulfill those expectations.

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It does seem weird we have like Captain Drine dragonid model which can clearly be many of the melee classes but they weren’t made an option to go along with Dracthyr/Evoker.

I have zero issue with Drakonids showing up as playable alongside Dracthyr. My great umbrage is with the notion that they’d show up so Dracthyr could never expand their class selection.

If Blood Elves could figure out Warrior, Dracthyr can.

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The question is of Racials and how the race was designed overall.

I’d say that the Dracthyr are more like the Demon Hunters, which have a very specific model and abilities attached to that model.

Now Sure I want Dracthyr to have bigger and Head options.

But Drakonids look more like they fulfill the Draconic physical melee class fantasy better than Dracthyr would

And Dwarves fit the physical melee class fantasy better than Gnomes, but Gnomes should still have access to the Warrior class. Just like a Dracthyr should know how to pick up a shield and sword and learn how to tank a hit.

The appearance of Drakonids should not cost Dracthyr any classes.

Well there are a couple things to consider

The Dracthyr were specifically designed around the Evoker and vice versa. It can be argued that the class essentially functions as their full racials.

So if the Dracthyr were given other class access - What would the racials be? Flight and Dragon Breath?

Flight at what level? Considering you have to be a certain level to be allowed to fly - are Dracthyr the exception to that rule?

If so should players have to unlock Dracthyr through gameplay?

Just some things to consider

That’s for Blizzard to figure out, but it’s not hard to consider here. Worgen don’t get Running Wild until a certain level, so no reason for Dracthyr to violate that. Easy. Second, Soar might work differently depending on class selection. Not an Evoker? Soar works like TBC Flight. Are you an Evoker? You can toggle it between TBC and Dragonriding flight. The other racials could be similarly adjusted to reflect an Evoker’s focus on their draconic power. Maybe they get a weaker AoE cone breath weapon and no tail slap?

You don’t unlock Worgen or Pandaren through gameplay, why would you unlock Dracthyr that way? They’re not an AR.

And in reverse, Evoker would effectively grant any race that became one those same choices; Soar+ would basically be an Evoker Ability rather than a Dracthyr racial. Tail slap would work the same way.

Blizzard tried to be lazy with Dracthyr and Evoker but now they have to eat their crow and expand it.

I’m not telling you, or the community for that matter, to create the solution - I am just pointing out the things that Blizzard may be considering when discussing other class options for Dracthyr.

It is ultimately up to them which is why I do not think they will give dracthyr those options because they’ve talked about how the race and class were designed with eachother and not separately.

EDIT: Also Evoker is very specific to Dracthyr because they innately have access to all Dragonflight abilities.

Again, think of Evokers like Demon Hunters, its race exclusive but to just one race instead of two

The problem isn’t that the class Evoker is restricted to the race Dracthyr (though that also doesn’t make sense, dragon communion is a thing in WoW). The problem is the race Dracthyr is chained to the class Evoker, which is phenomenally stupid.

Super-soldier dragon-people that just can’t work out how a shield and sword works and how that might extend their battlefield life expectancy? We know not all Dracthyr are Evokers, some have failed and take up other vocations.

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I don’t really see them giving Dracthyr other class options AND adding Drakonids

It’s either Dracthyr get more class options and hopefully bigger body/head options - OR - We get Dracthyr Evokers and Drakonids can play the other classes.

I doubt Blizzard would give us both.

I realize this as well, hence why I’m pushing the idea that Drakonid playability must not come at the cost of Dracthyr class availability.

At the end of the day I think it will come down to which one is easier to accomplish

Well considering we already have one race in the game that would just need some adjusting, (adjusting I said needed to be done before release to stop this issue) vs making a whole new race and racials opening up Dracthyr like they should have been from day one is the easier choice

As long as Dracthyr get options for much wider shoulders and more muscles as well options for a bigger head (and bigger lower jaws) - then I think that’s a good compromise.

Playable Drakonid would be adding more player choice than expanding Dracthyr class selection.

To be frank, I don’t. Why would a Dracthyr Rogue refuse to fly, use their breath weapon, and use Aspectral spellcasting? All of these are inherent attributes to the playable Dracthyr.

If they’re going to take Dracthyr and force those physical attributes upon them to make them more menacing and imposing… what’s the point? Dracthyr already exist as a compromise to give us dragons, but taking away all those physical attributes to lean into their spellcasting identity and shirk away from the physicality of full dragons. To give them that physicality back is honestly insulting. In that case, they should have just given us playable Dragons, full stop.

You have an interesting definition of ‘expanding’. Also a wrong one, but interesting nonetheless.

Why are both not an option, again? Remember, we have Dwarves and Gnomes sharing classes despite one race being sold as a clear spellcaster and the other a clear physical fighter.

They wouldn’t fly like an Evoker because they wouldn’t have practiced as much as an Evoker had, or demonstrated sufficient skill to match the maneuvers an Evoker can use. They might not use their breath weapon because it isn’t as potent as an Evoker’s due to the Evoker’s focus on developing their internal draconic ability. They might not lean into Aspectral Spellcasting because they either didn’t learn how or weren’t proficient enough in it to rely on it in combat situations. It’s like asking ‘why don’t all Humans just be Paladins?’

Again, we have Dracthyr that are not Evokers. All that’s left is for Blizzard to just let those fantasies happen.

And expand Dractyr BTs and customizations.