Man … those defending ML and wanting it back is on par with people saying WoD was better than BFA.
Complete insanity.
The only time ML should be a thing is for full guild raids.
Even though, technically, with the current system it could work the same way as loot is tradable for up to 2 hours. If people are so gung-ho about it then they can just pass their loot up to the RL for redistribution. It may take a couple minutes longer, but it’ll achieve the same thing as having ML.
Yet, we still run into the same issue as when ML was a thing in people wanting to be greedy and keep their drops.
… a lose lose either way for the average player.
Lest we forget the times when the raid leader would distribute loot to their friends and you’d open a ticket and get, “you joined the raid with ML; therefore, you are under the rules of the raid leader. Sorry, not sorry … (sucker.)”
While I agree with you completely, I’m reminded of when ML was the only real thing and people would complain of getting robbed and the rule was “the GM gave the loot to his best buddy, so you were not robbed as it was rightfully the buddy’s loot”.
And people said this stuff out loud, not realizing how idiotic it was.
Depends on what you’re talking about when you say cheating.
Cheating in a game effects everyone.
Cheating on your gf/wife only effects you your wife and the cheatee. So this one is nobody elses business.
But they aren’t robbing people. They can’t go into someones bags and take the loot from them. They just don’t get the loot. As I said before, you have the choice to be in a guild or group that has master loot set and you can leave any time you want or just not join them.
Which is literally what everyone wants when it comes to Master Loot. Forced Personal Loot for pugs or less than 80% guild raids never had an absurd amount of objection. So the problem was essentially solved, but that wasn’t good enough for some.
And yes, people should still be accountable for their own decisions. If they join a raid or guild even that has ML, then they’re accepting the pros with the cons.
This is victim blaming, some one wants to raid, so they have to “consent” to being robbed. In the real world, forcing some one to “consent” to being a victim of a crime doesn’t make it any less illegal.
“A signature wrested from a man at gun point can hardly have any legality” - Miklos Horthy (this quote is an exaggeration, but the point still stands.)
Which may be “legally” correct but it doesn’t make it “correct.”
If the GM decided to take all loot for himself, by the rules of the game, the loot belongs to him. However, he jipped a bunch of people out of loot they contributed to earning.
And you keep going on and on about “you can leave any time you want” however by the time you figure out whats going on, you or someone else has already been jipped. Best thing to do is change the loot system to personal that people can’t do that stuff anymore. <3
ML is gone. PL is what we have now. It would probably be easier to convince Blizz to do away with the trading restrictions than it would be to bring ML back due to how it was abused in the past (most didn’t… I get that, but many did).
I haven’t read the whole thread so don’t know if someone has already said it, but master loot since WoD (2014) could be used only in guild groups. PuGs were forced to use personal loot.
If you were in a guild using master loot, you agreed with it. If your GM was stealing loot or giving it to his friends/girlfriend/whatever, then it was your fault for staying in the guild. Honestly these urban legends about evil GMs stealing loot got stale since years.
This is victim blaming. Its like you live in a small town and to have any job, you have to join this cult, which proceeds to deprive you of all rights. But somehow its your fault for joining them, never mind the systemic obligation to do so.
Before ML was abolished you had only two choices, let guilds rob you, or you dont get to raid. That was wrong.
This is a very very very distorted view you have of guilds and ML, honestly.
You think that all guilds had evil GMs stealing loot? That is absolutely false and far, far away from reality.
Maybe 1 GM out of 1000 were like that.
1 out of 1000? Absurd. More like 1/3, at LEAST. Its too bad the so called good guilds never spoke up about it or did anything and blizz had to get involved, those 1/3 of guilds ruined it for everyone else, but you guys never seem to get mad at them, instead you attack blizz directly and try to get them to take back their fix, instead of trying to punish the corrupt guilds.
Absolutely false. 1/3 is extreme exaggeration.
Wondering if you actually have ever been in a raiding guild and if you have ever met one of these loot-stealing GMs.
… a lose lose either way for the average player.