Master Loot - How it really works

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You join a guild, they put you on “trial” status for 3 months. During this “trial status”, you get no loot.

Once your trial status ends, they remove you from the guild and replace you with another “trial”.

Rinse and repeat every expansion, every patch, every tier.

The “clique” of gamers that have been together for almost 2 decades, only want master loot so that they can gear themselves quickly at the expense of other players.

Master loot is only ever good in a 1% World First Race guild. Otherwise, the current system works fine.

The only thing they need to fix is the ilvl scaling. Set a static ilvl for each piece and let you “choose” to trade it with other players, if you “want” to.

It should be Blizzard’s Official Stance that guilds can’t force people to give away their loot either, within the Terms of Service agreement.

We don’t need capitalism and socialism in a video game. We just need fairness and equality.

We can’t have that in real life, because God isn’t here to ensure that. He’s not putting out real life fairness updates to make sure people aren’t racist, enslaving people. etc.

But in Azeroth, Blizzard is god, and they can definitely assure every transaction is fair, by coding it into the game itself.

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You should find a better guild.

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Is this how mythic guilds work. I’ve never personally seen that but I’ve been an heroic filthy casual for the (brief) time I played Shadowlands in 9.0.

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Yep. Ever since Classic. This is how “hardcore” guilds work.

It’s why they removed master loot in the first place.

It’s why only “Ion” wants to bring it back and everyone else at Blizzard does not.

The best part is when they don’t need any loot from the raid anymore so they start bringing in alts to take loot from you.

They are permanently taking your personal loot and giving it to themselves, in perpetuity. The only way to circumvent this, is to be one of the people doing it.

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I know the kids aren’t saying “cool story, bro” anymore, but I don’t know if “ok, boomer” is still in fashion.

Stop pretending that all guilds operate(d) like that, and it may go at least some way towards preventing paranoid rants like this in the future.

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Ok Ion.

Fact remains.

Master Looter was removed for “reasons”.

Those reasons weren’t because “it was too good for the majority of players”.

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No, because they would die pretty fast.

No guild pushing is gonna be able to recruit/retain people if they did this, especially mythic progress. Word would get out fast and they’d die off

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They did die pretty fast.

It was a huge problem in the community.

Hence why they deleted master loot from the game, altogether.

But people here have goldfish memory, only focusing on new greedy ways they can prevent others from enjoying the game.

Master Loot is just boosting, except you don’t get paid to carry your greedy “officers” to bis every slot.

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They got rid of master loot because they didn’t want to deal constant bombardment of pug raids where a few people would make pug groups and give it to their friends.

This was barely a trial/guild thing.

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:thinking:

OP whines about guild culture when applying to guilds. Poster tells him to just join a guild.

:thinking:

HMMM.

:thinking:

:laughing:

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This is the narrative the anti-ML like to push, but it’s really not the case. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but it doesn’t happen as often as you want to proclaim it to be.

Even during Classic’s prime, there weren’t any of these complaints about “trials” not getting loot. In fact, the main complaint is funneling gear to folks with the most gold :confused:

But, doesn’t matter what I or anyone says, really. Anti-MLers are set in their ways and try to appeal to emotion with this “but the trials” rhetoric while discounting other loyal guild members who aren’t the GLs, Officers, RLs, ML, cliques, etc.

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The only thing I dislike about master-loot, was that guilds could mask it behind other certain raiders/members in the guild. The majority of guilds I’ve been in throughout WoW have been great, but there’s always those odd apples.

I’m talking about the guilds that are so closely knit, that they have their own smaller circle. Trial status is trial status. Although once that’s over, you should be at the same plateau of being able to finally receive loot, right? I couldn’t tell you how many times loot went to someone else who “really didn’t” need it more than other people, and possibly myself. It boiled down to “favorites”, but no one would ever admit that.

Again, the majority in my bubble aren’t like this, but when they are it sure does feel bad.

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Isn’t that every guild, where inevitably some clique or other forms of players with the same interests, IRL friends, etc. and usually it ends in drama.

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Sounds like you never played the game when master loot was a thing

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This was literally the biggest complaint during Vanilla regarding Master Loot.

Even MC guilds were trying to ML. When Naxxrammas was current…

I lost the Eye of Divinity to an alt in two guilds in a row during Vanilla.

Never ended up getting my Benediction/Anathema.

Used a Glowing Brightwood Staff for my Server First Nefarion kill.

Then my guild leader one day stole the entire guild bank and transferred to some server, for a spot in an even more hard-core raiding guild before Naxxrammas.

This was on the Shadowsong Server in the guild named Rarespawn.

I’ll never forget the name “Bullwizard” and how he single handedly destroyed a 3+ year old guild out of pure greed, simply because Blizzard gave him thst option.

This was when the internet was in it’s infancy stages. People were nice. We didn’t have trolls.

Now people have perfected the art of being terrible people on the internet.

It’s not a “better” time for master loot. It’s a worse time.

They don’t need to remove personal loot. Just make the ability to trade items to other people in your party, regardless if it was a personal upgrade or not.

If your guild kicks you because you didn’t hand over your loot, at least your time wasn’t wasted. You got something. And the other person who wanted your loot will get something too if he keeps killing bosses.

It’s fair already. The only thing that’s not fair is them preventing players from voluntarily giving away loot because it was a personal upgrade. If someone doesn’t want a crit/mastery necklace because they are junk stats for their spec, let them give it away.

Even better, make it to where whomever you gave the loot to, trades you their personal loot drop. So you don’t get screwed with 0 loot while this other guy got his own loot plus the loot you gave him.

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Classic =/= Vanilla

It’s why I said Classic, specifically. During Classic’s prime, there weren’t any of these complaints about “trials” not getting loot, and that’s the truth.

Classic or Vanilla? Two different games.

Keyword being you proclaiming the loot to be your’s, automatically rather than what’s best, for the team.

I’m going to refer to you, to what I said, here:

You just trying to use this toon’s (that I’m posting on) to try and appeal to my emotion, just like I said:

Nothing is going to change your mind, IK this already. You’re just gonna tell sob stories for emotional victim points to get what you want, and I’m not falling for it because I really don’t believe you, sorry.

Which is why I brought up Classic and NOT Vanilla as Classic (which has ML) wasn’t swarming with ML complaints. The only thing people complained about was exactly what I said here:

You seem to only want to trade for the sake of getting something in return rather than giving away something, for the sake of it. There’s nothing wrong with that, but let’s not pretend you don’t have your own ulterior motives, here.

EDIT: I brought up Classic 'cause it’s the most recent version of the game with ML, and I’m not seeing ML complaints. Just the usual gold buying and “p2w” complaints regarding gold buying. Along with the Classic community being upset that Classic Wrath was announced to NOT bring LFD.

Find more recent examples.

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I think my guild would opt out of master loot. All the old timers don’t seem fond of the system.

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This post, class, is what we call a “complete mischaracterization based of poor reading comprehension”.

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I’ve been a part of guilds that didn’t have this going on, if you can even believe that. Might’ve been a luck streak.

In the end, it’s a grab-bag in most cases.

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Don’t join a guild that uses master looter then. Our guild will continue to use personal loot just because it’s faster, but guilds absolutely should have a choice of how loot gets distributed in raids. It feels just as bad to not get any loot when you’re a newcomer as it feels to someone who’s been raiding with the group for 6+ months, someone new comes in, does absolutely terrible on the boss, and then gets the loot. It’s all about giving the players choice. If you don’t like master looter then don’t run with a group that uses master loot, plain and simple. I would say if Blizzard brings it back, keep the 70% guild required rule in order to turn it on for sure. I would also say another great idea would be to only allow the loot method to be changed when everybody is outside of the instance so someone can’t change it last second like they used to.

As a side note, I really wish they would bring back the “skip loot” option, if I’m running an old instance with a friend when I have everything I really just want to check that option so they get all the loot I already have.

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