Massive stutters with DF client

5333 Ms World latency
Completed The Following: Posted DX Diag info in earlier Post
Deleted Cache, WTF, and Interface Folders
CMD-> ipconfig/release, ipconfig/renew, ipconfig/flushdns
Cleared Browser Cache, cookies and history ( extra measure)
verified latest Updates for wow, Nvidia 1050 card, Battlenet desktop app and windows 10
Powered off Router and PC 5 mins each
Not Resolved, Issues tend to Get worst starting at 7pm eastern Time (4pm pacific)

|Processor|Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5660 @ 2.80GHz 2.79 GHz|
|Installed RAM|7.99 GB|
|System type|64-bit operating system, x64-based processor|
|Edition|Windows 10 Pro|
|Version|22H2|
|Installed on|‎4/‎23/‎2022|
|OS build|19045.2311|
|Experience|Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.4190.0|

No VPN, Only OS Built in Microsoft Defender for anti-virus, Only Play retail version, Internet speeds when Just checked was 63 down and 1.3 up, should not see 5k+lag at worst 300ms one would think, Used task manager to close all or close to all background apps and processes that aren’t Have to haves

I don’t really notice the stuttering as much now but my fps is still way lower than it was before prepatch went live. I’m still sitting around 30fps lower. When I leveled to 70 on beta I felt like the fps was so good that with the same graphics settings I could enable ray tracing at high setting and play with good fps and fps drop was not as severe.

Yep, I demonstrated that in an earlier post. It has to do with GPU clock speeds not being held high and doing some aggressive downclocking nonsense. It happens in other games as well, so it definitely seems to be more of a Windows/Nvidia/AMD issue. There might be some things devs could do with WoW to keep the GPU loaded though, to keep the clocks high.

The thing is, when your system is running top notch before a 3rd party upgrade, you don’t wipe things from your system and reinstall. You don’t wipe windows and reinstall. You should not do ANYTHING to your personal system until bliz or whatever third party finally admits it’s their end.
Updating your card drivers after 3 months or whatever should be done anyways. But after you do that and the issue isn’t gone, it’s not your system.
Running a third party optimizer is not going to be explicit to WOW in reality, it will only do standard maint and anything they suggest will be only to cover their butt. Sorry if this comes off cold. Running 3rd party or willy nilly reinstalling things is adding random factors to this problem.

No one will have any way of knowing what is happening. And every single system is different.
Short summary: Don’t mess with what wasn’t broke before bliz broke it.

The only thing I’ll do now is update my graphics card, specially when I have a two year old card. BEFORE the exp tomorrow.

Although I haven’t read to the end, maybe it’s fixed, but it was stuttering just a half hour ago everywhere.

EDIT: This may not do a thing for anyone, but bringing up Task Manager shown 3 window updates running taking resources and wow running with stuttering and watching my typing in a website stutter, I shut down windows update processes in TM and the stuttering in game improved noticeably, I didn’t check the entire world however.

This is only thrown out here. Shutting down these processes doesn’t stop windows update after you reboot, just during your playing session.

bliz popped up and wants me to combine post stuff. So, I’ll add this.
I have a two year old card and win10 and my stuttering is just a nanosecond glitch like every few seconds but I have had a lot of special settings turned to fair or low or not on at all. Maybe someone can do an old fashioned wow in game troubleshooting like turning off a bunch of stuff, more than you want, and simple turn each element on, /reload in chat and see if something breaks with the last item loaded. Old classic windows boot troubleshooting when stuff wasn’t working right.
The old process of elimination trick.

Without jacking your system all to hell first. This is to me is WOW not playing nice with your correctly working system with this whole exp updating.

I don’t understand how you can reply to someone with a absolute fact your responses are correct.
I get that our systems can have issues. But what you seem to purposely ignore is the 1,050+ posts about stuttering with ALL OF THEM happening AFTER the exact same PATCH on a thousand different machines with the same complaint.
Every single one of your posts deflect back to us. Why is that?

And what would that be?

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If you think about it, bliz has something like millions of subscribers, so if an issue is effecting maybe 20 or 30 thousand people, does anyone think bliz is going to drop everything and address a problem only effecting like .o3 percent of their base? I think it’s just keep updating stuff and maybe it will go away.
Twitter does it, car companies do so why not bliz.

27 days ago now and we’re leading into the launch of Dragonflight tomorrow. I’m experiencing FPS drops and also really bad texture pop in. I can’t see most of the people in orgrimmar when I’m about 10-15 ft from the AH. They load in waves. I have the game on an SSD and play with a 1080ti for crying out loud. Not the best card but also not the worst.

pls… blizz… fix this!

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Edit to Phonenica… this post was misdirected to you but was meant for pawgwalker. Sorry.

pawgwalker: ←

Talking about the OS itself, custom tweaks and changes made, things added/disabled, programs running, registry changes, driver versions, OS builds+updates, etc etc.

Maybe you are trying to helpful, but how many times do people have to write to you that nothing was done to their system before or after the first exp patch?

All those personal settings were working before the patch. It points to bliz patch that seems to not have been sandboxed in enough test sessions to catch all problems. It’s a monumental process, but bliz really looks like they dropped the ball with this patch worse than any other time.

You post like you have a lot of knowledge with computing and programming. I’m learning quite a bit from some of your comments and appreciate it, but you seem to be not reading most posts. It’s like the MS bot who always answers on their forums. The … same …response … no matter the problem.

Sorry, but I agree with numerous people here, you do come off like a bliz employee working damage control.

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The load-ins as things is so silly at this point…literally flying over to the elemental event tower hub outside of Org , if you approach the tower straight on while on a flying mount so that you are just below the edge of the flooring up ontop and on the side of the tower so that the Dracthyr NPCs are standing directly infront of you, you will see there is a red hanging fire pot there.

Well if floating there at that firepot you can turn your camera or shift your position slightly and make the firepot just disappear, despite being practically right there ontop it.
Each little shift one way or back the otherway can literally make this firepot world detail item pop-in and out, and this is what things have become with ALOT of the aspects and items and detail improving traits around the world in WoW, even other players in alot of situations.

Its this “popup” and “vanish” along with what has now become this horrendous view distance to and of players and game aspects/detail-boosters/items that Patch 10.0 has altered the game to the state we have now and are welcomed with in all these aspects here now that are each easily half the strength and yield of what they once used to be in previous incarnations of the game

Jeez man. Read what you’re writing. You ‘interviewed’ 30 other people, so now you’re an expert and claim irrefutably only a small percentage, like 50-60 players? I think it’s more like ten’s of thousands, a small percentage of bliz’s base, maybe even more, but you have no idea at all how many this issue is effecting since you’re only working this forum.

How many should a gaff effect before it’s even on a near front burner at bliz software? 100, 1000 or 10,000? Maybe they need 100K complaints. I’d rather just discuss the content of a post, not attack the messenger. Not once have you mentioned it could be a patch problem itself.

Lets not forget that bliz sold out to actvision which is selling out to MS. Before the buy out bliz was one of the only games out there that ran on just about anything you had. Since the activision greed, they want you to have bleeding edge everything so they can cover their butts in play ability. bliz isn’t making the decisions any more.

Could be the pencil necks forcing the bliz shop to push it out. Just like other activision games.

stuttering issues were never an issue with my hard drives. My next system will have ssd of course.
But hardware was never an issue with bliz. Recently now they are pushing in the load screen my computer may not run. Yet it runs and has run wow smoothly enough to be enjoyable. I have no intention nor money to buy a new graphics card, motherboard and drives just for one game.

Personally these issues stay around much longer since bliz sold out.

And you have an nvme with stuttering and at the same time say that hdd will have issues?
It’s not your drives, no matter what configuration you have.

Sorry, bliz limits posts … so I added this edit:

I’m fairly sure that on modern systems vsync isn’t even supposed to be used globally or otherwise and Pawg says to turn on vsync. Can you confirm. I believe that vsync is a analog throwback.

Agree, on everything. Had no play issues on my sad system until the patch dropped. Changed nothing, did nothing to my system. With an added item. First time booting up with that first patch, the load screen is complaining not recognizing my original file path, but starts up slowly and plays anyways.
Then it was on to the slide shows. I’ve always had slow downs with raids and dungs, but was playable.

Now not so much, only after the junk with the exp.

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This thread has gone off the rails a bit from the original issue. Adding my specs for having the frame stutters when going in and out of areas that are heavily populated with other players. Edit: Can also happen with quest phasing.

CPU - AMD 5800x
GPU - RX 6800
RAM - 32GB@3600MHz
Storage: Drive 1: OS drive (Windows 10) - PCIe Gen4 M.2
Drive 2: WoW drive - PCIe Gen4 M.2
Drive 3: General storage drive - SATA 3

My GPU has loud coil whine. Whenever a stutter happens it appears the client is loading new assets related to rendering another player’s character. The GPU completely stops rendering frames (I can hear the coil whine completely stop) until the information is loaded. It only takes a fraction of a second but going from 144fps to 0 for .25seconds is quite jarring. For the most part no graphics issues when in instances or out questing in low player populated areas.

I think this has always happened sometimes but from when this thread started the issue has become much worse due to a patch change.

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Im from EU so i needed to level starter account character to post here, but your discoveries made me re discover why i was having gpu driver crashes and full system freezes on my 6900 XT.
If kept log on when i had least crashes and no system freezes and that was with fullscreen optimisations off, if now gone ahead and disabled fullscreen optimisations and compute quality to good.

I have MPO disabled, i think compute quality on ultra is broken cos it relies on MPO and if MPO is enabled and not stable it probably leads to crashes as well if its disabled.

Since MPO is what makes it possible to render compute effects at lower resolution probably.

If had gpu driver crashes on 22.5.1 as well, as soon as i put compute quality to good my freezes gone away, i used to have huge freezes in revendreth especially when aproaching castle nathria even as early as around launch of wow on my 6900 XT

edit: if had stutters before fix but they always went away on pre patch currently had no stutters just huge freezes that now went away thanks to your post i finally got the clue i needed to fix my gpu driver crashes.

If already done bug report to AMD i recommend anyone with AMD gpu to do the same even if its a game bug.

I can try reenabling MPO, disabling FSO and try compute effects high/ultra again if I get the chance this morning to test things. I kind of doubt that they rely on MPO though for rescaling. Almost every engine has some sort of up/downscaling engine for effects and render targets. For example, bloom is usually rendered at like 1/4 to 1/16th resolution and then upscaled and doesn’t need MPO at all for that.

The main problem with this thread is that there are like a handful of different issues people are experiencing:

  1. Popins of trivial scene decorations(probably intentional for the ultra fast dragon riding system, but doesn’t affect frame rate)
  2. Overall lower frame rate, but WITHOUT the seismograph looking frame times(can be that they never reset their graphics settings correctly or they had the Nvidia GFE bug that messed up their min/max FPS sliders and set both to like 8)
  3. Normal frame rate but WITH the seismograph looking frame times(can make 100fps feel like 40, tons of testing is leaning toward Windows/Nvidia/AMD problems not keeping GPU clocks high or some kind of window focus issue)
  4. Massive drops in performance when surrounded by many players, like in Org or near prepatch event invasions with dozens of players, where FPS will drop from like 120 to 50 with dozens of people around(there is definitely something choking on the CPU side of things, probably related to the new UI or other tweaks to the engine to handle new systems in the expansion)
  5. Frequent hard stutterings that last for more than a few frames at a time(mostly corrected already with a hotfix, if it was the shadercache setting related problem, but some people are still having some of the issue persist when panning the camera or loading in new assets. probably CPU<>Windows<>drive related)

sad there hasn’t been a blue response in close to a month about this. Good luck with launch tomorrow I’ll be playing ff14 lol.

Also you guys can mute pawgwalker so you don’t see his responses and if you report him chances are he’ll go away.

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Well guess me and my family won’t be able play Dragonflight, We are still having extreme low Fps rates across the board and I’m talking 14-16. We never had issues like this til few days ago and all of are operating systems are up to date and addons are up to date. I try to reinstall WoW I also ran scan and repair and nothing is working. I try tips from reddit and it didn’t do anything, This has to be purely a blizzard problem cause I try 2 WoW accounts on 2 different computers and still having same issues both are power by Nvidia graphic cards and i7’s.

The launcher downloaded 170mb, they fixed the NPC that cleans the toilets in Oribos Hahahahahaha

It’s laughing so as not to cry with this company joke

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There is only a way to fix Blizzard: Elon Musk must buy it and fire some people.

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