Raidbots, which is based on simulationcraft, takes into account everything your character can do, including talents, covenant ability (that includes wild spirits), conduits, trinkets, racials, everything. It puts that into a scenario built around specific conditions.
For a single target patch fight those conditions include
It also uses a specific action priority list to determine what actions your character take at every step of the simulation. The APL is essentially a a whole series of if then else statements, like âIF conditions are true THEN do xyz actionâ
It assumes perfect execution as well.
Itâs very unrealistic to assume, as you have, that itâs representative of actual results.
You make a claim that the spec can do a specific dps output but havenât provided any actual evidence to support your claim. Put your money where your mouth is.
The funny thing is those logs show characters with 4pc set bonuses and generally 265+ ilvl. And those are the bmâs getting into the 10-14k range. Not average players in the 250-260 ilvl range who donât have 4pc set bonus.
@Vishamani and others. So there are a couple statements that have been made that are either flat wrong, or highly situational. Statement 1) âbm as NF with a 250-260 ilvl can do 10-15k easy overallâ Perhaps this would be true in a low level key, but in 15+ a 260 ilvl hunter would not be doing damage in this range unless it was a carry situation where everyone is incredibly well geared and doing MDI style pulls. One of the biggest reasonâs for this is Bmâs damage throughput is too heavily dependent on Wild Spirits which has such a significantly long cd it cannot be used effectively in pedantic chain pulling scenarios. Instead it relies on very large add pulls followed by small pulls for cd reset; a style of pulling that requires tanks and healers to be well geared, knowledgable and willing to carry a 250 ilvl hunter. this does not mean a Bm hunter canât pull 10-12k routinely in a 15 M+. They need to be geared in the 265 range, double leggo, marginally itemized and have at least a 2 piece tier set. The second statement, paraphrased here, is that raidbots sim dps says you can do X, so clearly you should be doing X. This isnât the case however and raidbotâs developers explain why. In their single target simulations they default setings like player ability to elite, and limit the impact of world lag. Additionally, they have no way to properly script in their simulations for the use of secondary abilities that are routinely used in fights; things like binding shot, freeze trap, tranq shot, exhilaration, turtle., etc. In a M= scenario, the numbers get even more murky since even though they have tried to create a dungeon like environment in their âbeta dungeon sliceâ it is not there yet. Consequently the best approximation currently used by many to look at AOE damage profiles is to set boss numbers to 5 and run a normal damage simulation. Now this doesnât make Raidbots useless, because ultimately giving you a definitive dps number isnât the purpose of raidbots simulations. Instead the simulations are there to provide a theoretical comparison between gear, or talents or expendables under the best possible conditions. in other words, Raidbots never answers the question "How much dps should I be doing? " but does answer the question âWhat do i need to have to do MY best dps?â
@ [LegolasĂ° :Log from March 30, NW 20. You did 11.2 K dps, rogue did 12.3K and warrior did 16.9K; Plaguefall 19, March 30th. You did 9.2K, tying a DH and beating a warrior who did 9.0. Sanguine Depths 17, March 27th. You did 10.4K, beating a rouge who did 10.1, but far behind a death knight who did 14.1K. Spires of Ascension 20, March 29. You did 8.7K dps, while a DH did 8.8 and Walock did 14.6K. Theater of Pain 19, March 24. You did 8.5K dps edging a Mage who did 8K and being beaten by a Warrior who 9.9K. Now all of these, except for the ToP is with at least 268 Ilvl and a 2 peice tier set. before you get mad and think I am flaming you, or trying to embarass you, I am not. You have done âhighâ level keys successfully which means you have a skill set very few BM hunters have at the moment. But please donât try to inflate your accomplishments in hopes of painting a better picture. Is our âtopâ DPS in M+ is on par with several other classes, perhaps. Is our âtopâ dps in M+ keys dwarfed by a number of other classes, definitely. Are we capable of doing keys effectively in the 15-20 range, certainly. Are we capable of effectively pushing keys to the 22-25 range at the moment, no not without bring two of the other classes that far surpass our numbers. That, as Stone Cold says, is the bottom line.
@Snozh Taz Streets 15, Apr 2. You did 8.6K dps beating out a DK at 7.9K and being beaten by a SV hunter who did 9.1K. And yes you have the 246 weapon, but also have a 4 ppiece tier set and a 264 ilvl. If you donât like that one we can look at your Tz Streets run from Apr 1 where you did 7.0K and were beaten by a MM hunter who did 9.1K and a warlock who did 10.5K. Now i donât have any other logs for you, other than an MM log which made me giggle, so its possible that Streets isnt your cup o tea , and you do amazing dps in every other instance. Itâs also possible that these Streets is indicative of your overall performance and you like to be a contrarian.
I think the way details handles overall dps in dungeon and warcraft logs does is totally different. At 265 I typically and easily do 12to 14k on details with 2 piece unless deaths without bres. That is easily doable. The fact that MM SV demo destro fury SUB mages with some tierâŚactually almost every class can poop on us the problem. Even if only played at 80% potential.
Iâm ok with not being the best at aoe as long as our single target is above those classes who destroy us in aoe. As is that is not even close to being the case.
Streets isnt my cup of tea and have only ran it a few times. With the first time being that 14. Never did tazzavesh before. I have no problems admitting it. Personally hate that place. When I do dungeons I know I average 10k.
These guys are looking at key logs that get uploaded. Not every key is uploaded.
They think these logs hold any really value - they donât. Itâs all nonsense.
Iâve ran 150 keys and I think when I go on Warcraft logs like 10 of them are combat logged ? Yeah thatâs not enough data to determine where someoneâs damAge lies.
BM is the most mobile spec in the game. With its uptime and low skill ceiling it doesnât deserve to be anywhere near the top or even middle. It should stay in the bottom 5
@Legolaso First, just log more of your keys. it is not hard to do. Second, I find it difficult to believe the only keys uploaded are ones that you scuffed. while all the ones not logged are 15K masterpieces. Third, as its been mentioned multiple times already, when you use details as your number source, your total dps done is 'inflated" by between 1 and 2K compared to what warcraft logs will list. And last, but not least, whether it was scuffed/not scuffed or warcraft logs or details, it doesnât alter your relative position on the meters which is what we have been talking about for a fair bit these days.
@ [XĂĄrbin] Instead of flaming you or calling you some version of ignorant troll, can you explain to me why in highly mobile fights like Halondrus that BM hunters are not topping the damage meters by a fair percentage. Second, could you also explain what you mean by uptime? If you are talking CPM, BM hunters are middle of the pack and easily surpassed by warriors, demon hunters arcane mages, etc etc etc. And last, since you bring it up and only because you do so here, isnât low skill cieling a subjective term. I for example, having played both a frost mage and a warlock this tier as well as a MM hunter, find that they are less complex than BM hunters mainly because of the dps loss of making any mistake with either frenzy stacks or wild spirits . But again, that view is subjective and not measurable. it would akin to me saying any dps class that can offheal should be lower damage than a pure dps class. Your a hybrid class arenât you Xarbin? Well thats about I have, but hey i will be anxious for your insightful answers.