Mass summon, and cash flow removed

[Lepipe-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Very very silly call to remove mass summon and cash flow guild perks in Cata.

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

Cash Flow led to a bunch of cancerous ‘leveling’ guilds that would just spam everyone with invites non-stop in the hopes of free gold. It’s no wonder they’re removing that. And mass summon seems a bit less obvious to me… Maybe it’s considered to be a bit too OP? Could be disproportionately advantageous in a lot of situations.

[Antabusu-atiesh]

Actually ALL guild perks are being removed. Guilds will no longer level as they used to in Cata. They are individual perks now tied to gaining xp with your guild.

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

I do think it’s kind of a shame… I really liked the cumulative guild stuff. I’m hoping the new system will keep all of the good while removing the bad. Stuff like guild achievements especially. I really liked the collective achievements where you had to team up and skin/fish/mine/herb an enormous amount of stuff.

[Snipy-faerlina]

@Kaivax

Guild Perks

The Guild Perks system has been streamlined for Cataclysm Classic. Guilds themselves do not gain levels, and item rewards are granted as players level up their guild reputation. In Cataclsym Classic, many perks are granted to guild members immediately upon joining a guild, and many perks that were associated with Guilds in original Cataclysm are now granted to all players by default.

Two perks from original Cataclysm will not be available in Cataclysm Classic: Have Group, Will Travel and Cash Flow.

@Lepipe-bloodsail-buccaneers

Very very silly call to remove mass summon and cash flow guild perks in Cata.

[Orukmeta-mankrik]

Cash Flow- Cap the amount gained per lockout.

HGWT- Give the perk to summoning stones.

Solved.

[Stralgor-stormrage]

I already knew they were going to remove cash flow because blizzard just can’t allow people to make gold.

But Mass summon removal is pretty stupid it was a fun ability, and the whole point of classic is to have fun and relive Nostalgia and that is a big part of cataclysm

[Illutiankade-pagle]

@Stralgor-stormrage

Mass summon removal is pretty stupid

Nah, it makes total sense.

From the wiki: “Some felt that the instant summoning effect of the spell removed most of the necessity for travel, with single players able to summon whole raids without those players even needing to know the way to the raid entrance.”

And guess what happened. Exactly that. For example, my guild. We parked several “guild alts” all over the world and would summon our groups to spots instantly.

It would have been way worse this time.

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I wonder if they’ll opt for it’s replacement: Ride Like the Wind

[Stralgor-stormrage]

And those “some” are the same people who hate flying and made us go through pathfinder for several expacs.

Makes no difference imo, I played the entirety of Cata and not once did I think mass summon removed any sense of “travel”. But oh well, the rest of Cata seems to be intact so I’m still really hyped.

[Antabusu-atiesh]

I had no problem with Pathfinder per se. it was the time gating that I found to be totally unnecessary and a big fail in the process in my opinion.

[Xethorsiph-kelthuzad (Xethorsiph)]

@Aurumai-grobbulus

And mass summon seems a bit less obvious to me… Maybe it’s considered to be a bit too OP?

Imma be honest…I don’t CARE if it was OP. It was part of the Cata experience, a part some people actively looked forward to. We’ll only be in cata for like 15 months anyway, let it ride.

[Bitohoney-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Stralgor-stormrage

And those “some” are the same people who hate flying and made us go through pathfinder for several expacs.

Pathfinder was the reason I unsubbed during Legion. I was able to deal in WOD because it didn’t require multi-player stuff. Still didn’t care for it much. Bad enough they keep finding ways to re-sell us the flight we paid for way back in TBC. 1000 gold for a coat and ear muffs to fly in cold weather. Pfft! That’s just making things a pain for the sake of doing so. It’s like going to someone’s house and offering to sell them their own vehicle that’s parked in the driveway.

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

Eh, doesn’t change the fact that people would just set an addon to auto-spam everyone in hopes of getting that gold for free, even if it wasn’t unlimited. And giving the perk to summoning stones wouldn’t change how crazy powerful it is to be able to summon a whole raid at once.

[Orukmeta-mankrik]

Guild spam is a thing even without Cash Flow. It bogs up Trade and LookingForGroup

[Bitohoney-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I don’t PVP much but I can understand how HGWT could greatly impact an open world pvp situation. It would be like a hyperspawn only it’s real enemy players instead of PVE mobs. And being a guild thing, there’d be a good chance of them all being on discord together coming at you like you’re a raid boss.

[Antabusu-atiesh]

I can see the reason why they made pathfinder (minus the time gate) It was to ensure people experienced the zone on the ground first.

[Caelle-pagle]

I get the cash flow thing, although I would have modified it rather than completely removing it, like applying to guild activities but not just regular quests.

I dislike the mass summon change, it and mass rez are two things I liked the most out of Cata which is just a portal jumping expansion anyways.

[Frogears-atiesh]

Those seem like reasonable compromises. I’d be down with that.

[Ekhana-frostmourne (Ekhana)]

@Antabusu-atiesh

I can see the reason why they made pathfinder (minus the time gate) It was to ensure people experienced the zone on the ground first.

Sure, but once upon a time that was represented by hitting the level cap - where questing to do so usually meant seeing most zones through to the end.

To clarify, I do agree that it’s appropriate for unlocking flying to involve exploring everything, killing a certain number of rares and finding a certain number of treasures. But I believe you said so yourself - that the time gating was the problem.

So really, we actually agree here.

[Antabusu-atiesh]

@Ekhana-frostmourne

So really, we actually agree here.

Absolutely.