There’s really no point in arguing with you since you’re stuck in 2004. If Ais was castable back then, it doesn’t mean it has to stay ancient. It evolved into being instant. But shortly after it degraded back. And you support Degradation, so really no point in trying to make a point because for you Ais is castable and that’s it. You say it got restored, when at the time many people thought it was a huge nerf, so here’s another example of supporting degradation, and man, you’re not alone in this. Please, just talk about hunters no matter how much it helps your point to bring up chaos bolt. Want to talk about chaos bolt, head to the warlock thread. Thank you.
Not hardly. I’m perfectly fine with it having a cast time, which it has had since 2010. You’re the one stuck more than a decade in the past.
For one expansion, the majority of which it wasn’t even used, because you needed substantial armor penetration for it to be worth using over Arcane Shot.
It was an anomaly, not a new design.
Fortunately, the probability of Blizzard making Aimed Shot instacast is extraordinarily low, even if they listened to players (which, frankly, they don’t at all currently). They’d have to re-design the spec for it to even make sense. I’m still hoping they do redesign the spec, but I also don’t see instacast Aimed Shot as necessarily part of that vision. Frankly, instacast Aimed Shot and Arcane Shot are basically the same ability anyway.
Wow! LOLOLOL!! Dude, go away! You’re just toxic to the hunter class! I beg you, go away and never return to this thread. It was never used? Are you serious? It was used and it was part of the rotation. You don’t know what you’re talking about, wall of text and not much sense. Go away, you’re delusional, you live in a different world, you are stuck in 2004, since Ais was castable then, you want it to stay that way. You’re ancient. Please go level up a warlock. Good luck dude.
Only at the end of the expansion. You needed a lot of armor pen before it took over for Arcane Shot.
Not only are you stuck in the past, but your memory is faulty as well. Seriously, go look up some WotLK MM guides or something. I’m sure Google can find some for you.
Edit: In fact, I’ll save you the effort. https://www.gnarlyguides.com/wotlk/guides/pve-marksmanship-hunter/
Aimed Shot – Better than Arcane shot, but only if you have Armor Penetration and talents in it. If you use Aimed Shot, then don’t use Arcane Shot
Once Armor Penetration outweighs Agility, it’s time to focus on physical damage. This means removing Arcane Shot from your rotation and re-allocating talents.
Once you hit 700 Armor pen though it moves up above Agility. So once you get to 700 Armor Pen start prioritizing it over Agility. The cap for Armor Pen is 1400, so you should stop there.
Initially you will have Arcane shot in your rotation doing magical damage. After your Armor Pen passes 700 though, you should remove Arcane shot from your rotation and focus on physical damage. Don’t forget to also remove the talent points associated with Arcane shot
Aimed Shot is better than Arcane Shot but only with enough Armor Pen. Use Arcane Shot until you have the Armor Pen then switch to Aimed Shot.
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Really doesn’t help your case, I haven’t heard anyone replacing or prioritizing one over another, both had 6sec cd and they’re were all doing fine dmg.
Again, a wall of text without making much sense. I’ve played it back then and I know how it was. Armor pen was in the talents and if anyone picked anything different was not making the right choice.
You literally have guides from WotLK telling you to use one over the other, and you’re still going to stick by your claim that both were used rotationally throughout WotLK?
Ya, that about wraps up this debate. You clearly have no interest in the facts, in evidence. You’ll deny and sidestep everything that doesn’t support your absolute conviction that Aimed Shot should be instant and nothing else makes sense for it.
Well, w/e. Can lead a horse to water, but can’t make it drink. You just go on waging your private war against the AiS cast time. Good luck with it, mate. You’re gunna need it.
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Oh, dude. Just to remind you, you’re PvE and AoE lover and your guide is specifically for that. So again, it doesn’t cover all the things, just the ones that are important to you.
Dude, just leave hunters alone, you’re not making us better. Go away. You’re ancient. Just like your castable Ais from classic. Bye.
well to be fair, in cata and mop you could dump with arcane shot if you wanted and only use aimed when you had the instant proc from master marksman. a lot different then now, where you pretty much do no damage unless you hardcast an aimed shot.
Right, but that’s my point. The central spec kit is designed around AiS right now, not around Arcane Shot. In Cata and MoP, it was an occasional proc, nothing more. in WoD, Legion, and BfA, and in SL now, AiS was and is the key ability for the spec. Swapping it to instacast isn’t a trivial ask, and even less so as an optional talent, as Jamchik is advocating. Hunters were completely different even in Cata through WoD compared to current. Asking for WotLK design back is lunacy. Might as well go back to having mana and having those wonderful periods of crap damage from Aspect of the Viper.
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You seem to be the opposite of smart. You’ve stated clearly that Aid is the central to our rotation and yet we get hit so hard while casting it, not to mention you always have to face the opponent. But again, all your logic comes from Pve stand point where you can stand afar and pew pew without having much to worry about. In PvP its constant moving. So you just really don’t get the point I make unless you start PvPing, but I bet you won’t like it because you’d get smashed. You’d probably be using multi shot so you can AoE LOL. And yes, you’re ancient. Remember? 2004.
Oh no, we have to face our target during the cast. How ever will we cope?! No other class in the game has to do that!
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Right, we all have to, but that’s the only ability that does real damage. We don’t have anything else, maybe RF. Melee players can easy avoid your cast at the same time hitting you while you keep trying Ais. So, just don’t think you know how it is in PvP, my AoE lover.
Where are you even getting this from? I’ve literally never mentioned AoE. Are you just like reaching into a hat for whatever insults you can find for PvE peeps? It’s kinda sad, really.
You talk about melee sticking to you like that isn’t, you know, the normal state of things for ranged DPS in PvP.
But then, if you’ve been so bullheaded as to insist on playing MM in PvP in BfA, I honestly can’t say I’m surprised at your inability to comprehend the obvious.
/sigh, c’est la vie. You keep on raging in this thread, Jamchik. Posting replies to my same post every 5m because, like Jerry from Rick and Morty, you have the emotional maturity of a goldfish.
You must have the same level of maturity then. I’m replying this fast, well because I’m tired of watching TV, nothing wrong about replying fast. It keeps the conversation exciting. OK, I got that from nowhere (the AoE part) but don’t get me wrong, that’s what I can poke you with since the only thing you like is the PvE part.
You are debating with a child, or equivalent thereof. Not worth the time. I think by now it should be obvious to most people reading this.
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Everything you’ve posted here is extremely immature. WotLK wasn’t some godly pinnacle of MM after which everything was terrible. It’s had ups and downs since then like every other spec. Hell, within WotLK MM was only the go-to spec at the end when you had lots of armour penetration. Besides, in WotLK not only was your Auto Shot immobile but a large amount of your damage came from casting Steady Shot which at the time was an immobile cast, so you can’t exactly pretend immobility and cast times weren’t a thing for WotLK Hunter; they just weren’t associated with Aimed Shot in particular. The modern MM Hunter is actually far more mobile than the WotLK Hunter.
Casted Aimed Shot is something that makes sense thematically and mechanically for Hunters. For a more mobile spec we have BM (and, originally, ranged Survival). MM is thematically meant to be more methodical and some times sniping/lining up perfectly-aimed shots is required. Mechanically, cast times for ranged specs are ubiquitous. It’s meant to be rewarding when you get the cast off.
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Ok, I get it. You think I want the whole thing to come back. Its ok, you can keep saying I’m immature and a child. It makes you feel better and right. I was asking for an option of having only Ais be instant. And that makes you think that I want the whole thing back, but I clearly stated that I wanted one change, not the whole thing back. There is a difference in wanting the whole thing back and and wanting one thing back. I don’t know if you’d be able to see that difference, but I hope you will. Now if I was asking for it to only be instant, that’d make you not like it, thats why I asked for an OPTION. I think that is very mature to ask for that. And if they have to tune it and the rest, they will. That’s not the problem. And surely comparing the whole spec of today to the spec of that time isn’t correct, since today Ais is the main ability that does damage.
You have a bad take, sorry bud.
and frankly i cant see how a 120ilevel mm hunter has any complaints in pvp right now. And in Shadowlands you get resonating arrow anyways for dealing with pillar kiting. 10sec to shoot behind pillars with a 30% crit buff, on a 1minute cooldown.
What exactly are you complaining about? If they made it instant like you want theyd nerf its damage.
*edit—Lol, you aren’t using posthaste. No wonder you can’t get an aimed shot off. Maybe you should learn how to play marksman first in pvp before you start talking about class design.
Hunters have exactly 2 shots that require you to stand still, sniper shot, and aimed shot. If you aren’t good enough to use them properly then maybe BM is more up your alley?
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