You’re not factoring in Lion. ~16.5 agi per 1% crit with Lion. 16.5*1.2=19.8.
The only pure dps class in the game being middle of the pack dps isnt really fine. It doesn’t need to be #1, but it should definitely be above middle of the pack.
#5 out of 9 classes isnt really a good spot though.
Based on p1 runes and hoe they nerfed basically everything to the ground p2 runes wont be very good.
Even traps in combat doesnt really fix pve damage. Traps have 0 scaling
Even a rune that lets serpent sting crit doesnt fix ss having 0 scaling.
Every hunter rune so far is either extreamly weak, entirely passive, horrible designed, or a combination of all 3.
Lone wolf is a dps loss vs NO RUNE ST ALL for non bn hunters. That should give you an idea of how bad of a state hunter runes are in.
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They need to do a PVP Debuff for BGs I am completely ok with them even removing Wind Serpent or halving its magical damage even tho that would make it useless since I don’t use Wind Serpent. If you want to balance in imbalance game you need to make debuff or buffs character specific in the BG’s and not alter an ability that causes PVE issues. I am ok with being number 5 on DPS boards if that is what they attended. But I also want BM spec to be a thing in raids not only in leveling.
They should both remain viable. I was just curious if that could be the main reason, and it’s not a matter of Blizzard forcing it on anyone. It’s a matter of inevitable scaling. As you said, it just came earlier because BfD gear is OP.
No, it came earlier because blizzard has gutted pets.
The scaling from the bfd gear isnt that great. Because almost all of hunter abilities have 0 scaling.
It’s probably a little bit of both.
Theres a huge different between viable and optimal for min max.
Viable means that You Will be doing the less dps required for the raid.
Hunters are great in era, i’ve never been hunter lvl 60 but watching good hunters in YouTube is divine, specially when they 2v1.
Sod hunters are mad because they only want to see people dying to a Garbo pet while they auto shot,but the spec is and Will remain viable.
Middle of the pack as a pure DPS class isn’t what I would consider “near the top”. Also the nerfs happened after the good hunters parsed, so we’ll need to wait until tomorrow to see where we actually fall now.
As far as new runes - yes, this has been beat into us a million times over. We know we are getting new runes. But when we are currently forced into 2 runes (Lion on chest, BM on gloves) despite several pet / hunter nerfs, it obviously doesn’t give us much hope for the future.
Besides, they are just pulling rune ideas from existing concepts. Nothing is really new. Absolute best case scenario we get Black Arrow as our new rune, Explosive shot gets buffed more, and we get a LnL playstyle. But it’ll likely be defaulting to running Trueshot for the warriors, or running 31/0/0 for BW for BM yet again with no changes
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Like I said before if someone else is bringing lion it is only a 10% reduction and that for me would be 1.73 crit vs the 5% or 3.27 crit increase using Master Marksman. Or you could look at it as 6.73 vs 1.73 if you assume another hunter is present. We both have our merits. This is my first hunter ever on wow and I have a lot to learn Doesn’t change that at 60 20 agi is 1 crit not 52 and the extra crit is worth it if you have another hunter in raid.
I really recommend checking out the “Classic Hunter Lodge” discord. This topic has already been beat to death over thousands of posts over the last few days. Technically you’re not wrong; MM rune does pull ahead over Lion if you already have another Lion in group. However, this is only in extremely niche scenarios, where you are BiS geared, have correct consumes, have proper kill times to support it, and more.
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I second this.
Wasn’t the point of SoD to bring up meme specs like Shadow Priest and make them viable?
Hopefully they do a better job at this in Phase 2…
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Being a pure dps really doesnt matter. With that logic hunter must always be #1 dps. It just doesnt work that way. As long as hunter can do that phases content its fine.
This is a false cause fallacy, and not worth arguing with you
A rune can be added that increases SS damage by 100% of agi. Poof, hunter now scales. This is why its pointless to argue about scaling. The runes can change everything.
They nerfed sniper training before launch. It was already a somewhat bad rune at 30%. And was moved to 10% and to have no effect on auto attacks.
They nerfed a mediocer rune before launch because they have no idea what they are doing with hunters.
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This has no bearing on what they’ll add tomorrow. Logical fallacies dont help you or your arguments.
They could also do the opposite and add amazing, fun runes that make you super OP. This is a pointless thing to argue
No, but its a trend that has plaugued the hunter class for years.
Even when they give us cool abilities its riddled with bugs.
Look at barrage and how on release if the ability it was going through the walls, floor, and ceilings. It took them 3 expansions i think to fix it…
Blizzard also has a history of hunters being strong early, nerfing them to the ground, and letting them rot until next expansion. Annnnnd repeat.
This view point isnt just based off of sod. Its how hunters have been treated for over 20 years now.
There is a reason for this characters name and class.
The sob story won’t work. You’re not a victim of a video game. Dont act like it as I won’t treat you like one.
Bugs existing doesnt bother me. Different time, different devs, different circumstances. If you want to hold a grudge, by my guest.
Every class in wow has something they can complain about going back years. I main a shaman so you’re preaching to the choir here. Its useless to argue over this because the classes have been largely fine, even with these issues.
Hunters have had lots of strong points. The games balance constantly fluctuates. Ive had patches of being strong on my shaman, just to lose it in the next patch. Thats just wow.
Get rid of the chip on your shoulder and just wait and see what they add. Theres no reason to assume its gunna be bad
Historical evidence from 20 years isnt a reason?
Ok bud.
the only spec that isn’t really viable currently is Survival. what are you talking about? (in reference to OP implying that BM is not viable)
Hunter has been fine for 20 years. I get you have a chip on your shoulder but that doesn’t change the fact its fine.
You can continue to ignore everything I say and focus on one out of context line. It doesnt matter that you think hunter is an oppressed class. Its not, and it never has been.
Do you actually think hunter is beaten down everytime its not topping the dps charts?
They moved all the dps removed from BM spec over to marksman Killing BM spec. Why do SOD if you won’t allow all specs to be viable.
You seem to be mistaking “viable” with “the best” not everything can be the best. BM hunter is plenty viable. The reason it keeps being targeted is because pets don’t scale, they are strong early. And the level cap is currently 25.
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