The mana is a problem and I have to watch it pretty carefully. Without revival i wouldnt come anywhere close to them. i dont do bad in mythic+ but the group i go with to actually complete content has a pally who has word of glory.
God that would be nice haha, Iām stuck with pugs who like to stand in everything. Yea like I said if I know the group is competent I bust out my fist-weaving bracers and just chill. The group I ran with today couldnāt complete a 4 because they stood in every boss ability and I just didnāt have the cooldowns or mana to keep up during or between pulls 
It would also help if people realized they could dispel themselves instead of relying on me haha.
no it isnt lol
It is so rare to find anyone dispelling themselves that Iām actually shocked when someone actually does!
Which is baffling to be because I always dispel self when in a dps or tank role.
Iāve yet to see any healer capable of handling any group that persists in standing in bad or forget they have interrupt abilities too.
That said, 3-minute cdās for our big bandaid heals is extreme. Iād much rather see two two-minute heavy hitters that I could rotate every minute or so.
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Instead of nerfing the mana cast of Vivify, Iād rather see Vivify also proc off of Essence Font alongside Renewing Mists.
Nerfing the cost of Vivify would also be an indirect nerf to Thunder Focus Tea and Life Cycles.
Having Vivify also proc off of Essencse Font could also bring a bit of nostalgia back when MW had Uplift
Hereās my suggestion-
Reduce mana cost of Vivify and EM by 15-20% and make vilify heal 3 targets regardless of RM and additionally heal all others with renewing mist. AoE healing is rough and it is only worse the larger your group gets.
Heck, I would even settle for vivify remaining where it is mana wise if they made the aforementioned changes to it. To be clear make it a smart heal, causing it to heal the 2 most injured targets within 30 or 40yds of your primary target.
Raid healing with a monk is face roll.
Press essence font on cool down along with mists and using jade wind.
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The only way Iām keeping up mana atm is through teachings to be honest.
I kind of want to use tear, but thereās no way Iād be able to upkeep the same HPS without just destroying my mana in under a minute.
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Then youāre bad and donāt know what it actually does.
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I wish we could get another defensive cooldown for PvP. Maybe something like chugging down a brew that letās us stagger the next 5 incoming attacks (or maybe all attacks over the next 5 seconds) over an additional 5 seconds. No way to reduce stagger like Brewmaster has, of course.
I typically chug 4-5 brews irl. Seems to help out with the current state of mw.
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The first MW in timed keys is rank 74. Oof. Thereās only two in the top 100.
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Because we spend half the run drinking. I cho torpedo twice forward so I can get ahead of the group so I can drink for the next pullā¦
Then thereās the missing party cdās that save runs.
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All we can do is hope the Monk blue(s) see this. I donāt want MW overpowered, topping charts, etc. We specialize in ST healing. We have some of the best raw healing in the game. Revival and Yuālon/ChiāJi are our emegency buttons if things get crazy group/raid wise. Vivify Cleave+renewing mist and EF is the only group heals we have. If fistweaving was able to group heal better than mistweaving I would take that.
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Granted Iāve only done normal Castle and a handful of mythic + from 0-7 so far I really havenāt had much trouble with keeping people healed. I run with a dedicated tank and we pug our dps for mythic+ so not being invited there is a non issue but every raid group Iāve applied to was always an in. I run the Tear leggo and the cleave healing seems really good, especially with Chi-ji instant cast mana free EM.
What Iād really like to see is a slight nerf to mana costs and a nice buff to our damage output. Iām ok with healers doing less damage but ours is horrible imo.
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Many people commenting! I will try to respond to everyone in this one post, but I will start with you! 
@Yasu - I donāt have troubles keeping people alive and my hps certainly isnāt horrible, but we are still underpowered on longer fights due to mana issues. I mainly started this thread because of PVP but there are some definite issues in PVE. Yes I would love to see a buff in our damage to make fistweaving an actual thing.
@Ipmane - I do hope the DEVS see this, we need a buff. Yes I do not want us to be overpowered, but where we are at is just sad ATM. Our cds are amazing but have way too long of a cooldown, Iād rather see them be weaker with less mana cost and less cooldown. I truly hope fistweaving gets a buff, smart healing was proven to be really overpowered back in MOP but fistweaving is totally not smart healing.
@Stripsearch - Yea it sucks, tanks are used to healers keeping their mana so I am spending the entire Mythic playing catchup with mana instead of attaining a victory through skill.
@Karahlen - Yep, 2 people is sad. They prove it is doable but god we have to work so much harder.
@Seikima - I still love the idea of cocoon being off the silence cooldown like pally bubble I honestly think it would fix us, considering we are designed to avoid damage actively and not with abilities. I would love to see a buff to Fort Brew but I actually think if we got Touch of Karma we would be in a good place. Stagger I think would be too overpowered.
@Tidalwave - Hey man we get it you think were fine, even though youāre a shaman, but there are some major reasons why we arenāt being used in the W1st race or PVP. No need to tell players they are bad and be toxic. Yes our cooldowns are great, but they cost too much mana and have too long of a cooldown, we bring nothing to the table outside our cooldowns. Try to read your post before hitting reply and ask yourself if you are actually helping, k? This is a place to throw out ideas, if you think were fine you can just say that and move on.
@Karahlen - I love teachings, but I just cant make it work when people are standing in stupid, cant effectively do my job. Love questing and torghast with it tho haha. Iām using Clouded for raid and Mythics to try to save my mana a bit.
@Krauz - yea it is really sad, and we cant keep any mana to save our lives, we bring nothing compared to other healers outside the cooldowns unless we fistweave, which is far behind in HPS and pointless in PVP.
@Ghandia - I like the idea of VIV healing 3 people regardless, yes we need either a buff to manatea and make it baseline or decrease mana cost for viv/em.
@Senseimoonk - God I miss Uplift.
@Tigerfury - Yes, I would rather see a nerf to our cooldowns with the window shortened. 1/3 the healing or 1/3 the time it lasts in the Yuālon case and make them minute cooldowns at 1/3 the mana.
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Need to move while soothing.
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Good lordā¦ what have they done to this class? Ret Paladins are better healers than Mistweavers.
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Well thatās an exaggeration.
Today in wow, tried to do a 7, just like I was doing last week(timed) with zero problems. This weeks affixes have made it impossible for me to do them. I un-timed a 4 De Other Side, and it was funny, I noticed on the manastorms with zero problems and zero people standing in things I ended the fight with zero mana. The 7 I did, people were of course standing in crap and it was ok, until 3 minutes in when I had no cooldowns or mana, group fell apart. this is the 3rd group today that fell apart just because I canāt keep up with this weeks affixes, I know the problem āmostlyā is people standing in crap, I know the issue isnāt me, Ive been monk healing since it came out. It just sucks we bring nothing to the table outside our cooldowns to deal with stupid, its our literal job to deal with stupid and keep people alive. UGH, too late to reroll IMO we just need something.
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