First and foremost let’s speak of the PVP vendors. We have vendors, yes, but we don’t have full combinations for secondary stats? No haste verse cloaks, etc etc. Ian spoke against having multiple sets of gear, yet we are going to have to have yet again another expansion of PVP and PvE gear. Resulting in pvp’ers either buying mythic carries or joining a guild in an aspect of the game they couldn’t care less about. If Mythic raiders had to PVP at a high level just to raid it would be an issue? But when its vise versa blizzard turns a blind eye. When will PVP become the holy grail that it used to be? When will PVP not be thought of as a mini-game in World of Warcraft? If you agree with me or even have something to add. PLEASE Comment below, share. Let blizzard know that we as the PVP community are not happy.
I agree. As someone who does a good variety of content, PvP deserves more attention than it gets.
Idk what Ion was smoking when he was talking about this. Vers is an unused stat in PvE for most specs, yet we stack the heck out of it in PvP. We have a PvP stat, and a completly different PvP set of gear, you just need to pve to get it.
I wish I could upvote this more. We already need more than 1 set of gear for PvE if you actually want to switch specs for whatever reason. How is having a PvP set any different? His argument falls flat with the barest of analysis.
I genuinely fail to understand why the PvP community is constantly crapped on by the design decisions made in WoW. If you look at the loot tables for PvE vs PvP, it’s a complete and utter joke. Mythic +12 giving the same weekly reward as Duelist rating? It is many orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve 2.1k rating in arena than it is to complete a +12 (which you don’t even need to time to get the weekly reward!!!), yet for some reason they are considered equivalent for rewards by the game. A +15, which again, doesn’t need to be timed, is considered equivalent to 2.4k rating, which is less than 1% of the arena playerbase, which is already a small subset of the overall PvP playerbase, which is itself a subset of the overall playerbase.
The only theory I can come up with is that, WoW, being primarily a PvE based game, is of course primarily designed to cater to the PvE crowd, so that people can come into random BGs and stomp opponents without actually having to put in the time and effort to learn how to actually PvP and win based on their gear advantage.
I remember back in Burning Crusade, where when I had a full PvP set, I could face off against players decked out in full raid set gear, and smash them. And that’s how it should be, because I put the time and effort to farm the PvP gear via PvP activities, so I should therefore have an advantage over PvE players who only gear via PvE activities. And the reverse was also true, these players would smash me in PvE damage, because they took the time to farm gear optimized for PvE, which again, is how it should be.
Yet for some reason that I feel has never been articulated in a way that meets the threshold for what is a logical argument, Blizzard seems to think this is a bad thing. Why?
Fully agree with this post. There is ZERO reason to not have every stat combination across the vendors. We should not be forced to do PVE to get our BiS stats. Blizzard please give us some updates on PVP and what your plans are because currently it feels like this is no better then we started!
I agree with the video and this post - im not going to slog through more mythics for gear, barring maybe a trinket or weapon (1 or 2 slots from pve is bearable, an entire set is not)
I made a post here on how they could easily remedy it: How to fix pvp stat combinations + PvP vendor bloat
The silence on pvp as of late is pretty concerning
I know pvp is the last to implement but they should at least explain their philosophy of pvp and gearing. /sad panda
The biggest event at blizzcon is wow arena. The biggest streamers are wow arena. The community loves pvp
I just want PvP Gear…that you use to PvP, you know like it was.
The last meaningful PvP I did was in MoP, I spent a good 90% of my game time either next to the PvP vendor on the wall while queuing for a BG or in the BG.
I could do a bunch of PvP stuff and go spend the PvP currency I earned on PvP gear.
Can’t we just do that, copy/paste the entire system into SL and done.
Blizzard, the PvP community needs you!! PvP has always been such an important part of the game for so many players, and we want to be able to gear out our characters without needing to kill raid bosses or spam m+.
Our ask is that you let us gear up for PvP with PvP! The vendors were a good start, but this is a big miss and we are begging for it to be corrected.
Personally, I loved the MoP style of game play and set making. I don’t care if I need a second set to play the other half of the game. It just gives me something to do. What I hate is not having the gem sockets to accompany it. When I get a piece of gear it should just be my BiS for PvP and PvE especially when I work hard to get it. PvP was perfect in MoP. I don’t know why it’s been changed so drastically since then. If ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
This is my sentiment exactly, in fact I’m pretty certain I’ve said that exact thing in response to the current state of PvP before.
If Blizzard wants me to spend as much time in this game as possible, then give me back my damned game! 
I agree PvP in BFA is in it’s worst state since I started playing in wrath… Shadowlands isn’t looking much better either!
Blizzard…come on. My entire guild is a pvp focused guild. Only like 5 people still play because the pvp is trash in BFA and we don’t want to be forced to PVE for gear. What are you doing? Why do you refuse to let pvp players just pvp. Jfc. Debating cancelling my preorder.
I Love this topic right now, and being a on-off Pvp’r I came back after a 3 year break and was blown all the way away. Still am and its been 3 weeks… I find myself Hitting battlegrounds way less than often. the conquest goes from 60-40 -8 in twenty minutes or less. i like the idea of wpvp and catching the crate but hardly ever see it in the premades, and the rewards are small and aspirant. I really miss the control of having all the best gear and being able to flatten those bothering with questers, and continuing the wpvp even after. now its like versatility or die, and versatility only goes so far. i see people at honor level 250 and im still here at 4, wth. Im so late to pvp its like where to begin, people talking about raid gear and +15 gear, and why is that vendor ui empty over near the pvp vendor area? just, im sad. super bummed. and its not blizzards fault. mostly anyway. These speakers in the community pouting and putting up ideas and not respecting the gameplay . Wow was born from the mind of a genius. people fell in love with the creators idea not the communities. its like right foot stripes, left foot spotted ***k. im still sad. im done speaking. for another 3 years.
Yup, wish I could PVP and be competitive without the endless PVE grinds that I completely do not enjoy (I don’t understand how anyone enjoys doing visions multiple times, tbh, or grinding out echoes).
Sub expires in a few days, and thus my voice will be silenced, like the voices of so many other PVPers that love WOW PVP gameplay but find it impractical to play due to development decisions and direction of PVP (is there any?)
pvp players are second class citizens to blizz. I don’t see it changing.
Yeah, it’d be nice if I could trade all my marks of honor for gem slots instead of going into visions that I hate doing.
Y’know something fun that I find fun because y’know I hate visions with the burning passion of a thousand flaming sunwells, blizzard.
That’s like 1,000 sunwells, bro.
I do one mythic a week for the weekly depression box because I don’t want to do that aspect of the game and hope for gear. Visions, echoes, mythics, emissaries for echos, it is a chore and lead to me not playing for a couple months. I hope they fix this. I just want to PVP 
and this corruption train wreck makes me so sad.
Please Blizz, the only thing that’s superior about your game over other MMORPGs is that the pvp is better. Please put all the gear, with all the stats that players need on the vendors. All we want is a game that’s enjoyable.