Tell me you know nothing about balance without telling me you know nothing about balance.
Extra 10% on all stats is actually a much better pvp increase than wf totem. Its also undispellable when a hunter uses it. So its fine that horde now get an undispellable 100yard version of an alliance spell, with any rune or spec a hunter chooses the buff will still go out, that is stronger than wf totem.
Ask for the same for alliance and you get the guy that has been crying since p2 that shamans arent strong crying even more.
Only one oblivious person here my friend, id say its the guy that can hardly speak english.
with the qualifier that making something always on that doesnt have any downsides in requiring a rune combination or a specific form to turn on.
you also said this.
are you seriously saying that something like king is more effective in pvp than the chance at an extra attack with every swing on a melee char?
you cant be serious.
really though i think im done responding to you as you clearly know nothing about the effects of what you are posting in favor of and just want to troll.
Yeah, the 2 classes that benefit alot from WF outweigh all the other classes and specs + the 2 said classes get from kings. You are legit cooked.
10% stam alone is almost more benificial in a pvp setting than wf totem. You cant dps when you are dead.
I dont understand your argument about hunter kings, you realise theres a book? They dont have to choose a rune / lose a rune slot.
Current state of WF for alliance would be the equivalent of saying only BM hunters can give the kings buff, if they take off a vital chest rune they need for pvp. See how many kings buffs you get then.
you are in a thread calling for druids to get wildstrikes as a book and to also be able to have it active in all forms.
to explain this to you and why it would be bad , i likened it to having tremor totem (pally version) also just become a book and always be on and left it up to you to see why that might be a problem but you diddnt register that.
let me clearly state it to you so you cant wriggle out of it and call me cooked or whatever.
having something like wildstrikes have no negative or downsides to be always on reguardless of form or rune requirment would absolutely further unbalance moonkin due to the sheer power that wildstrikes already has in terms of damage produced and would also unbalance the melee you are intending to buff in a bad way.
the fact that wildstrikes already is raid wide as well as better numerically than shaman totem WHILE ALSO BEING MOBILE WITH THE DRUID RUNNING IT should give you cause to pause when it comes to even further letting it loose and removing the restrictions on it anyways.
wildstrikes for all the melee it would buff would always be better than having kings but the thing is you dont even have to choose with kings cause both sides can have hunters running it.
i will say it again so you can read very slowly, wildstikes and the effect it has is >>>> kings by far for the melee it would effect.
especially in terms of actual pvp where every attack counts and extra attacks are almost always a bonus and the determining factor in fights.
i dont care about kings for hunter as it has nothing to do with making wildstikes a book and making it active in all forms all the time.
go back to my tremor totem (pally version) and making that a book and baseline as well if we are just gonna go crazy.
Tldr. Explain to me how having wf as a book is any different to hunters having kings as a book. Kings buff also raid wide. Also better than pallies buff.
Again, you said the affect it has for melee is > than kings. I never disagreed with this. But as a whole, the benefit a group gets from kings is far superiour to WF.
You also argue the kings argument shouldnt matter because both sides can run it. You realise druids are on both horde and alliance?
You also fail to realise this would buff enhance shamans more as they wouldnt need to drop wf totem.
You say the power a boomy gets from having wf is too much even though it doesnt affect boomy at all. But you fail to mention how strong the kings buff is for hunter, and it affects hunters.
You legit have 0 awareness or critical thinking. Verbal dribble from a non native english speaker.
i also do not care that horde druids would get the ability as well.
if this was done and only affected pve i would welcome it.
but , it affects pvp which i still participate in on several different classes one of which is a druid .
melee do not need a blanket windfury buff to be competitive.
giving a blanket mobile always on version of wildstrikes to a backline character be it a moonkin or even just a healing druid that reaches to the frontline would cause havoc and further unbalance things to a degree that would be laughable.
its a stupid suggestion.
again you guys do not actually know or care about the actual effect on organized pvp or even pug pvp where suddenly you not only have to worry about a backline moonkin nuking you from orbit , you also have to worry about the melee defending it having wildstrikes for funsies.
yes . a totem that doesnt move that can be killed by 1 shot from nearly anything and only affects the party of the shaman vs a mobile always on wildstrikes .
do you see the clear difference?
wildstrikes >> kings by a long shot for all the melee it would effect. weve been over this.
again lies .
i said in p2 that if you werent running way of earth dual rb you werent op.
and i was right as it wasnt op.
i did say however that way of earth and dual rb was indeed broken.
i said also in p3 in the beginning ele shaman and enh shaman werent op.
and they werent.
i did say in the back half of p3 that ele shaman were indeed very very strong but i also said other classes were as strong as or even more op.
and again i was right.
in p4-p5 i said that enh shaman were not good at all and ele shaman while strong were not as op as at least 3 other classes as i had them 4th on the rankings.
and again i was right.
but you keep trying to say that ive said things i diddnt say.
i suppose when you cant counter the truth you would resort to some lies.
Again tell me the difference between hunters giving 100yard kings from the backline. Which again, is far more beneficial to a team than WF. The fact you think WF is more benificial to a team, just proves how bad you are at pvp / theory crafting.
You arent interested in balancing at all. Otherwise youd be keen for alliance to have the same wf oppurtunities as horde. Also increases hordes chances of having a wf. Which in turn increases melees ability to kill a boomy.
You have such low iq that any change you “think” hurts you, you jump and scream on the forums.
Again, 4000 posts of you defending your brain dead mindset. Theres a reason most people disagree with you.
The difference is that, as it is now, horde get our “kings” buff because 99% of the time there is atleast 1 hunter in any BG.
But alliance get horde’s “wind fury” like 1% of the time. Because very rarely does that rune get used.
Bad trade off!!
Wild strikes should atleast become a book. But preferably it should be a book and be active in all forms.
Horde and alliance would benefit equally from this change, which is better than what we have currently where horde get alliance’s “kings” buff 99% of the time but alliance get hordes “windfury” like 1% of the time.
Ultimately this change would mostly just be a buff for warriors anyways and according to most people on this forum, warriors could use a bit of a buff.
i understand the fact that it would be both sides getting it, and i would agree if it were only in pve that it would take place.
but its in pvp where any and all melee within range of the druid would all the sudden have wildstrikes (which again is numerically better than the shaman totem) .
sure warriors may need a slight buff , ill agree to that . but it would also buff pallies who dont need a buff right now and all other melee to boot.
its like throwing a rock in a pond and creating ripples but these ripples turn into waves.
honestly though warriors are in a better place than some would think as ive been wrecked by warriors quite a few times on multiple classes and watched warriors wreck other people on streams and in bgs and wpvp personally.
so while i agree they could use slight buffs , wildstrikes is not a “slight” buff.
you yourself agreed on this point earlier. let me find it…
you were saying?
oh ya and i also know you said this:
yeah but if its a melee group mostly (btw it doesnt have to be a group as its raid wide but still) wildstrikes>>>kings.
your move.
oh ya one more thing ill add.
just because kings is a certain way doesnt mean that all things that are copied over from horde to alliance or from alliance to horde have to completely equal each other in terms form or function.
Yeah kings raid wide aswell. Let me break it down for you as you cant seem to comprehend how pvp works.
Warriors and paladins benefit more dps wise from wf than kings. 2 classes.
Druids / rogues / mages / warlocks / hunters / priests and shamans benefit astronomically more from kings, they obtain little to no benefit from WF.
Heres the thing though, the 2 classes that benefit from wf also benefit from kings.
Are you starting to see that as a whole kings is a vastly superiour buff than WF?
As it stands, horde have a class that doesnt need to use a rune slot to buff kings or WF.
Alliance do not have a class that provides wf without severely harming themselves in pvp. So as it stands, 99% of alliance players in bgs dont have access to WF.
Almost asif you arent actually interested in balance? Even though thats what you constantly spew out.
Nothing to do with form or function, more to do with evening up BGs. But again, you arent for that. Because you get wrecked by warriors. You dont want to be balanced in pvp because you would be at the bottom.
you clearly are not giving me any benefit to my own words like im solely caring about some class that you have made up in your mind that i only play and advocate for or some crap.
news to you i have 5 level 60s that most of them im actively playing.
shaman, shadow priest, warlock, pally , AND druid.
most of them ive actively said were op and lobbied for changes to make them less op (yes even shaman. i was one of the people suggesting making way of earth require a shield) .
i have more of a view of overall balance cause i play alot of classes and watch alot of classes in pvp and pve over the course of a whooooooole lot of hours and have participated in many many discussions and actually realize what would result in peoples suggested changes (most of which would either gut the class or make them incredibly op as a result) .
i know full well what would happen if they added an always on wildstrikes in any form and dont agree that the results would be preferable to current dynamics of pvp.
but please do go on how i dont care about actual balance and dont argue for it.
Again, just because you post alot / play alot doesnt mean you know anything.
4000 posts and you still have the same critical thinking you did 3999 posts ago.
All people are saying, is the fact horde have super easy access to WF and kings. Give alliance and horde more oppurtunity to use wf. Benefits both sides.
The only reason you are against this is not because of balance, but because it benifits alliance more than horde.
You can hardly structure sentences together, and you expect us to believe you are thinking about the whole of the game and not just yourself.
Youre making out if an alliance pug goes in with a feral druid that runs WF instead of their pvp rune they will be unstoppable and win every game. Which just isnt the case.
Tldr; 0 critical thinking by xtra. Only cares about his low iq self.