The concept is simple. Kind of insane to me that this is not already in the game.
Solo Q M+ Finder allows you to get into a queue (e.g., similar to solo Q for arenas) and match you up with people who are running similar keys.
How does it work you ask ?
Simple. Player A queues for M5 Siege (or whichever dungeon) and matches up with other players who are willing to run M5 Siege as well.
How do you qualify to run a M5 ?
Simple. By solo Qing and clearing a M4 of that dungeon, you qualify to run M5 (or M6/M7 depending on fast you cleared the content)
How does this help the M+ community ?
Simple. As you clear the previous requirement (e.g., M4 in this case) for a dungeon, you will be considered competent enough to run M5 which means that you are only playing with people who pulled their own weight in previous M+s.
Now there is one caveat … Obviously because certain specs are busted to push the highest keys, the feasibility of solo Q M+ finder can only take you so far. If we keep the standard M+ finder process for those who are willing to do the highest level of content by putting together tailored groups and complement it with the solo Q M+ finder, then I truly believe that the participation in the community will increase drastically.
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2 questions:
How does your plan account for players carried through a dungeon (paid or otherwise)
And what are your proposed reprocutions for dropping a group after we get stuck with those players?
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congrats you are now running with a brew master and 4 priests. i hope you have a great time.
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valid criticism. You are 100% right that some comps would be unfun or just plain bad. How about they introduce certain restrictions ? Class / spec stacking being one of them ?
At that point, make your own group.
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It is super annoying and unmotivating to sit in DPS +12 queues for 45 min - 1.5 hours at a time … staring at all the declines because my class isn’t “meta”. Just trying to make it so those that are like-minded can get in some gameplay even if it is not +16s.
Plus Solo Q arenas, which took away the need to “form your own groups” is insanely popular for a reason, why not translate that to M+s ?
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Does someone in my group have heroism?
Nope. Bricked run, people drop group at the start
Does someone in my group have battle rez?
Nope. ~Bricked run, people drop group at the start
Tank and/or DPS sees that they have (insert healer class).
Nope, that healer is bad right now leaves group
Healer and/or DPS sees that they have (insert tank class)
Nope, that tank is bad right now leaves group
Rest of group sees (insert yours or others’ dps spec)
Nope, that DPS is bad right now leaves group
Rest of group sees what realms everyone is from
Nope, people from that realm or those realms are bad leaves group
Group happens to be melee heavy on a bad melee affix week
people drop group
Group happens to be ranged heavy on a bad range affix week
people drop group
etc…
etc…
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Say it with me everyone!
Make your own group!
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do you honestly think this would change that? like why would any decent tank or healer ever use this system. they have zero issues getting into groups so why should they use it. no one would use this for a 12 your out of your mind. can you imagine what would happen in a 12 if you had 3 warlock dps or something like that lol
because they are completely different types of content. m+ has really big issues with not bringing certain classes for certain dungeons. like you have a dungeon with a nasty poin dispel well that sucks i guess its a healer mechanic now since the game didn’t bless us with someone who can dispel it.
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Valid. Valid. Valid.
My goal is to increase accessibility and gameplay for those who don’t want to sit through 1hr+ of declines.
I know, and I said it in the beginning, that this tool wouldn’t be for pushing keys to top tier but get in gameplay for M0s to M10+ for example.
all the evidence points to this not being solved by a que.
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I, myself, and 10-15 plus others in discord have quit playing this season because of constant declines and elitism in picks. This tool would alleviate some of that issue but hey … we don’t have to make this tool a reality … quitting the game is easier I guess ?
Whose key is used?
Otherwise, so long as Blizzard doesn’t use the failures of these groups for balancing purposes and people who use this promise not to whine on the forums when they fail to clear content, sure. It solves nothing, obviously, but so long as it still uses someone’s key and doesn’t impact tuning, and remains of equal difficulty, go for it.
Then run your own key. SoloQ for m+ is the dumbest idea I’ve ever seen and it’s crazy that it keeps popping up. And don’t even start with all the excuses about why you can’t run your own key because they’re all garbage. You can and it takes at MOST like 10 minutes to make a group. It’s faster than waiting in a stupid queue for a heroic dungeon or whatever as dps.
Then just make your own group, or even better, group with those 10-15 other people. Problem solved.
If you’re doing 12s, then you understand the importance of group comp and having competent players, so of course people are going to be picky. Just because someone isn’t inviting you, that doesn’t mean it’s “elitism”.
but dungeons only allow a maximum of 5 at a time
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everytime you do this you increase that que timer. now divide those comps by key level as well and yea…good luck with your hour long que time lol.
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Here is what I can tell you as a tank who runs his own keys. When I list a +12 I have no shot atleast 30 dps instantaneously apply to my key. I can’t take all of you, so you weed out the applicants by gear/io then how many keys you have timed, and does your class work with my idea of how I want this dungeon to go? You would absolutely be a fine addition to the group, but you got 29 other people competing to get in.
I hate to be this guy but that is the reality you are dealing with. I just timed my first +12 last night after countless tries and I mainly run with a premade group. If you want to run with us tonight you can, add Bacon#1393. We need another dps and we don’t care about people being meta. Right now due to tank and healer nerfs there just isn’t enough going around to help everyone.
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For keys up to 6 I could see a que system as long as they have qualifying parts attached to it.
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Nah, queued content is designed to be unfailable in this game. Remember how much people complained when that became slightly less the case with the dungeon level squish?