This sounds like a good solution to the problem.
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The changes that are presented in this post would really help the spec contribute to the raid during those periods of burst damage that are needed on so many encounters. Elemental has been a great spec to play even with the glaring deficiencies it comes with.
When we talk about the âhybrid taxâ who does it really apply to?
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Feral Druids, Ret Pallies, and UHDKâs⌠those guys are having a tough go of it⌠
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nobody takes me seriously blizzard, they make me go resto despite outdpsing most of my raid simply because some website ranks my class/spec combination so low.
people actually make jokes about elemental whenever i join the discord and i constantly hear snickering whenever I make a comment about elemental shamans.
iâm so close to just ending my wow career over this constant ridicule⌠please help
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My wife left me because Iâm not topping the meters anymore. Pls help blizzard.
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A buff would be pretty sweet. Especially if it is something sensible.
I mean if you want to do an oopsie and break Ele into the top dps class I wouldnât complain. but just something so that Iâm not meleeâing after every lightning bolt during lust would be sweet.
Season of Chaos suggestions:
Give us some kind of stacking maelstrom for the difference between GCD and LB cast â .77 second LB cast? thatâs + (0.23) * (some maelstrom constant) which will eventually unload on a future lightning bolt when some threshold is met.
Make our 4 piece add time to our fire ele AND flameshock (or only fire ele??).
Now that fire ele resets after every boss it has become a consistent, and real part of our specâŚ
It would feel alot better having lavaburst interact with fire ele in some way (as part of a set bonus could be reasonable).
Longer duration? Pulse of damage?
LvB buffing the fire ele in some way?
- 2 seconds of lust?
- some temporary SP/attack power buff?
I do like alot of the other suggestions too though. So many possible little dials to turn to nudge the class in a better direction.
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Looking at current rankings I donât really see how Shaman are in a bad spot, either Enhance or Elemental. Shaman is a hybrid, you have heal-melee-caster so with all those choices you should not be the best at any of the three. Add in all the utility that shaman bring and you are already fairly OP. Maybe something to add survivability to the class but other than that you are already pretty strong.
âFairly OPâ
âpretty strongâ
Elemental Shaman is roughly 17th in DPS rankings, above only Arms, Frost, Sub (generally considered PvP specs, even though I would support them getting some PvE love), Blood DPS (who are barely even designed to be a DPS spec and will easily pass us if given Shadowmourne), and Arcane Mage (who always struggle a bit on progression and benefit from having exact fight timings to plan around, and will pass us when they get those). If you donât think Elemental is in a bad spot in current rankings, then you simply have not looked.
The only unique utility Shaman bring to a raid are Bloodlust/Heroism, Wrath of Air, and Improved Strength of Earth. If we didnât bring those buffs, zero Shaman would be taken to raids.
Utility is a frivolous argument. Even âpure DPSâ classes were given a wide array of utility in Wrath, and specs are not intended to perform worse for bringing utility like they were in Vanilla and TBC. Imp. Shadow Bolt / Imp. Scorch are only brought by pure DPS Lock/Mage. Feral Druid brings some of the strongest melee raid buffs in the game and is the #1 performing DPS spec.
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The only unique utility Shaman bring to a raid are Bloodlust/Heroism, Wrath of Air, and Improved Strength of Earth. If we didnât bring those buffs, zero Shaman would be taken to raids.
And every single one of those only needs a single shaman too. Throw the resto at it:
Publicly Logged Heroic Lich King kills:
~49 elemental shaman
~158 enhancement shaman
~300 resto shaman
âYour dps class should be so bad that you are never brought to prog because you can play healer insteadâ
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17 out of 24 is just slightly less than halfway mark. Sorry but that is not bad for a Hybrid class that is still beating 3 pure DPS class specs.
The ancient âyour class could swap to a more meta roleâ philosophy is incredibly shortsighted and is just as valid as âyour class could swap to a more meta specâ. I personally donât think Sub, Frost, BM, or Arms should have to swap specs to be viable either, but this thread isnât about them.
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If you go by just unique tier set bonuses a class has:
Shaman
- Elemental
- Enhance
- Resto
3 clearly distinct gearing paths. I canât just swap to resto or enhance and get any additional benefit from the tier
Feral
- Feral (dps and tank)
- boomkin
- Resto
3 clearly distinct gearing paths, giga hybrid with a dps and tank set with significant overlap. the tier is outright overlapping between tank/dps feral. also the strongest dps in the game. Balance is kind of in an ele scenario too. Doesnât bring anything Unique that a better class canât and there is essentially 0 translation between itâs gearset and another spec.
Paladin
- prot
- ret
- holy
3 clearly distinct gearing paths. all solid specs.
Mage
- 1 dps tier set, 3 dps specs that utilize this
(Just respec and change like 2-3 offpieces)
DK
- 1 dps tier set, 3 dps specs that utilize this
(Just respec and change like 2-3 offpieces, gem x instead of y)
Hunter
- 1 dps tier set, 3 dps specs that utilize this
(Just respec and change like 2-3 offpieces, gem x instead of y)
Rogue
- 1 dps tier set, 3 dps specs that utilize this, weapons may differ some overlap
both specs are okay??? scaling?? idk maybe rogue is a little cucked too idk much about rogue and what kind of power spike they may get at certain stat thresholds between combat/assassin
Shadow priest
- 1 dps tier set, 1 dps spec
Solid class in ICC.
Warlock
- 1 dps tier set, 1 very valid dps spec, 1 very strong support spec that still does good damage, and a 3rd spec that is still better than ele.
So what other DPS class/spec is below elemental?
Based on 99th percentiles only because nothing else matters (it looks even worse for elemental at lower percentiles)
Sub Rogue, Frost mage, BM hunter, Blood DK (by a very very small margin)
sub rogue and frost mage are very bad, but both classes have valid/strong dps alternatives, both are similar playstyles. BM hunter/arms are close, but hunter/warrior have very very strong dps alternatives which are essentially the same playstyle.
Blood DK is going to actually scale much better than ELE and will bump ele once the gear lands.
So the shaman caster dps spec with no alternative of similar playstyle and a unique tier set bonus beats pvp specs for classes which have strong alternative dps specs that utilize that same set bonus from their tier.
I still donât see where your argument is valid at all. What
17 out of 24 is just slightly less than halfway mark. Sorry but that is not bad for a Hybrid class that is still beating 3 pure DPS class specs.
IDK where 17 out of 24 is coming from? in what metric or measurement?
If I take 99th percentile ele and compare it to 50th percentile across every other class?
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I think some people are confusing raid buffs with utility. I supposed shamans have some utility in that they can provide so many raid buffs to fill in for what the raid might be lacking.
In my mind, raid utility is things like misdirect, tricks of the trade, innervate, battle rez, power infusion, blessing of protection, blessing of salvation.
In some fights where they may be useful, things like aimed shot/wound poison, knockbacks, and stuns can also be considered utility.
So an ele shamanâs utility is basically thunderstorm when it is useful, and the ability to fill in other raid buffs (limited to a 30yard range) when other classes that bring stronger versions of the same buff are not available.
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Totem of Wrath is one of the worst consolations that one can receive with regard to raid buffs. Can you imagine providing literally half of the same benefit and calling that âutilityâ?
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This is an incredibly lazy argument. By that standard, Pallies shouldnât have been the dominant force they have been in the Prot and Holy departments the entire expansion, and Ret shouldnât be shredding the way it is now.
Ferals shouldnât be out pumping every pure DPS class in the game.
Unholy DKs shouldnât have been running rampant for the first 3 phases of this expansion.
Itâs been shown time and again that whether a class is a âHybridâ has absolutely no bearing on how Blizzard balances.
Should it? Maybe. But given thatâs clearly not the case, thereâs no reason to point at Shamans and say âwell theyâre a hybrid, its fine if they under performâ.
All that being said, youâre missing the entire point of this thread from the jump. No one is asking for Eleâs to receive so many buffs theyâre contesting mages and warlocks. Theyâre simply asking for fixes to a glaring issue with the core class/set design in ICC where popping CDs is actively detrimental to their damage output, and making the entire playstyle incredibly counter intuitive.
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Arenât you glad im here since 1 of 4 ret pallies AND 1 of 8 warlocks were not available tonight? Whew lad
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ofc a hunter with absolutely no brain is interacting, whatâs new. be quiet and play your âQoLâ spec which skyrocketed your dps.
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I appreciate your feedback because it makes me feel better about continuing to fight for better education standards.
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+1 ele is in a pretty criminal spot right now
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Please allow acquisition of tier without badges so I can swap off ele more easily thank you
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