That’s why I proposed the above, so the Earthmother could also be a First One (and thus Azeroth’s crust was First One infused, and thus the Titanforged are her children whether they like it or not)
Well all the Indigenous people Tauren are based off of actually worship the Earth and the sun usually (as I’ve noted above!), as well as the moon, so I’d argue its actually an expansion of the original themes due to greater nuance of their portrayal.
Similar to how in Zandalar, we learn of greater nuance to Troll history with regard to Voodoo and Loa, and in BFA we have now learned Bwonsamdi (Baron Samedi, honored at the oldest grave of a man in a cemetery) was a priest of Mueh’zala (so a sort of Met Kalfu, the darker Petwo Legba).
I think it’s always been stupid to have an entire deity in the game favor one specific race in the setting above all others, but you could usually ignore it since it was just a background thing at best.
Now that more focus is being put on Elune’s importance in WoW’s story, I think the resentment is justified.
We have several deities and characters in the game that are very powerful and clearly favor one race. Do you hear anyone complaining that Rezan favored the trolls?
Or Bwonsamdi? Or the 4 Celestials favoring the Pandaren?
None of them match up to Elune in story importance, as far as I’m aware. Those minor gods don’t seem to project any influence outside of their own cultures, unlike Elune.
We have known since BC that Elune is important, because even then the statement came that she is the only true deity, and it has never, never caused any problems. Right now, its cause zero problems aswell, i mean, the “one true deity” didn´t prevent her followers from being in the Maw, Bwonsamdi did prevent it.
It even seems that Elune is playing the big game and in order to save the universe she has summarily sacrificed her own “favorites” so that everything can happen to save the Shadowlands.
I mean, I wasn’t fond of that reveal when I first heard about it. Calling her a true deity gives her a hard g God sound to it, which elevates her above everything else in the setting and to me, it created the implication that every other culture’s religion was wrong because they weren’t worshipping God as WoW portrayed it with the night elves.
It didn’t make the other religions wrong though, their symbolism and worship was still right. It just made the object of worship different toward Elune. I mean, Elune may be the hard g God, but in the end, she don´t act differently toward the other “lesser deitys”, she didn´t destroy whole armys or races to protect her people, like the loa for example.
She guided them, yeah, but powerwise, even if she ´s the real Deity, she´s clearly hands off. The Night warrior is the first real “Power-Drive” we know, and this powre is able to kill you and all the witnesses around it, a ritual that no one else does and so far from the representation also does not greatly rise above others, or do you see how she turns off the jailer with a snap of her fingers, to say the least?
I’m not denying that there have been issues with the way Elune’s portrayed as selectively hands-off for the night elves. I’d agree with that, but I’d also put the blame on her being written at such a level that she should have been capable of all of that and more in the first place.
I’m thinking more about connection on a story level, though. If we get a WoW: Cosmos expansion that goes all-in on talking about and interacting with the First Ones, then Elune’s highly highly likely to be a part of it. That instantly gives one playable race some sort of narrative bond to care about. And a sort of run-off thing for the rest of the faction in a “well they’ve our allies so maybe we can relate through them,” although admittedly that’s a watered down and less-than-satisfying relation to have.
I’m just worried there’s not going to be any horde-side hook. And truthfully, I’m not sure if An’she would really be sold well due to the extreme time difference between the concept’s introduction and if he’d be used now. But it’d still be relatively better than inventing one out of whole cloth, or (worst case scenario) nothing at all.
She personally hasn’t, but she empowered the first Kal’dorei Night Warriors who DID shatter the Troll Empires to give rise to the Kal’dorei Empire. That no Loa would have assisted the Trolls in that time period is unlikely, so I’d say she doesn’t have a problem with spirits of Nature getting slaughtered. As it stands Elune is the big kid on campus while everything else is on a lower level and inferior to her power. The only exception would be the worship of the Light, which is currently not a being but a primordial cosmological power. Least as we currently understand it.
With the First Ones rising to prominence in the background, and Elune most assuredly being one, why is it a bad thing that the Horde would want a being that they can relate to when the Night Elves (and Alliance by extension) get one?
I understand your concern, yes I do, even though I don’t really understand the point, at least not fully. But where I said examples for own connections, because ultimately Elune also does not act in a “I do everything down mode”, I would promote religious diversity and versatility. Elune as First One, may she be one, what we don’t know yet, could of course change the “rules”, if the First Ones don’t have - as I think - rules, which prevent them to intervene in the universe, rules she had given herself.
An’She could be a Light Lord, that would give the Horde its very own connection to a thing, i have no problem with diversity, with beings, i mean, we don´t even know what elune is right now.
Or the Earthmother and Titan, who would then favor the Tauren, which the Alliance does not have. I want to have a choice, I want to have diversity, it’s not so important what this being meta-wise is, it’s important that in character I can believe in being protected by my deity and my religion. Right now only the trolls can rely on that, everyone else has been betrayed and sold.
In my eyes it’s more important to have a difference and diversity, I don’t see any added value to destroy the only remaining real myth WOW has currently built up just because of Equality.Sorry, I prefer the mythos and the story that goes with it.
thats a legend, yes, but we know…tyrande is the first night warrior ever on azeroth, i think it was danuser who said it.
Something nice = destruction of the Elune myth? Yes? Is that something nice for you? I mean, it doesn’t matter if it’s not played out on your race’s fantasy, I know that doesn’t bother you then.
I really don’t see how it destroys anything about Elune for another deity on her level to exist, unless it’s somehow in-game canon that she’s supposed to be the only one period?
please read the thread what An’She should did, it is exactly the same as Elune did, it is nothing unique, it is the same only mirrored…that is what destroys the myth around Elune.
It doesn’t make An’She unique, it makes him a copy of Elune and takes away Elune’s uniqueness.
This just sounds like the inverse of your jealousy accusation, where you only feel that your toy is special because the other side isn’t allowed to play with something.
Its a fantasy game, of course the toys here have to be different. This difference is important. I mean, over the years many aspects of the nightelves were spread around the other races and unique themes were shared, now, one of the last real unique themes is elune, any other is gone or whitewhased.
You don’t need different races if everyone is the same.
