Make An'she/Belore A Thing

Nap time is good for ignoring said problems at least :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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It is worth noting that said titan also immediately chose a dwarf to be her avatar among the mortal races and has not engaged the tauren at all since she started being active.

So
 Even the Earthmother seems to favor Alliance races. Which kind of invalidates the tauren’s religion in a very new, interesting way. Like if we found out Elune actually likes the Lun’alai more than she does Tyrande and the Sisterhood of Elune and made a Zandalari her new high priestess.

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Lol forgot about that

“let me pick a random Titan creation with an old god curse instead of my loyal followers for 10000 years”

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Now, the strange thing I find about that is, there’s a crapton of blood magic going on in Nazmir. It really makes me wonder what Bwon boi can do that makes the moon go red like that.

Also, he’s never been seen (?) in direct sunlight either, only in the shadows/clouded over areas

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And prior to Bwonsamdi, Hakkar was associated with the Blood Moon in art.

Chronicles also states Hakkar taught the Trolls blood magic.

But BFA said blood magic was pre dazar Zandalari magic.

But Mueh’zala mentions blood sacrifices for him and he predates Bwonsamdi. Uses a blood magic attack too.

This is one of my favorite areas of speculation because Blood Moons are the SUN acting on the MOON.

Gonna commission an art piece for An’she following these lines, if anyone has artist recs hit me up!

So, the previous version with a beautiful death - to the landfill. Although I find it 
 pleasant?
So if the Horde has their own Elune, can the Nelfs take all the Wild Gods for themselves? And they will participate in the Nelf conflicts.
Will this equalize us?

The idea of a Warcraft version of Morgoth is interesting but how could such a character be set up without coming off as weak or ineffective. After seeing what the Jailor is like I’m not sure Blizz can pull it off. Especially since Morgoth is a character that utterly terrified people in the Silmarillion to the point that the people of Middle Earth were still terrified of him in the Third and Fourth Ages.

This ties into what might be the biggest problem with making Anshe a thing. I still support doing it but the biggest problem is that much of what would be needed to make Anshe a thing would be a great deal of World Building nine expansions into World of Warcraft. Not impossible of course but it means making your case for not only a new cosmological character but a major world overhaul. Which I have advocated for since MoP and I will do so even more if it can make Anshe a thing.

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I still have faith in this expansion, but generally yes, I agree. Like take the Old God stuff for instance. Silithus and Cthun was amazing, Northrend with Yogg slapped, Pandaria and the Klaxxi and Sha was great, Stormsong Valley was amazing to me
 But then Nzoth was defeated with a Reorigination laser beam?

Big oof

World overhaul or at least lore revelations.

Take for example if Thrall and Baine and Voljin (once he is reborn) all get powered up in specific ways comparable to how Anduin, Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, etc have been over the years.

Like in the examples I gave above, have all the “lore gaps” closed with An’she.

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I’d respond with what I’d like to see from a World overhaul for the Alliance (specifically Stormwind I am after all unashamedly biased towards my fictional home :slight_smile: but I’ll save that for another thread.

Sounds good. Perhaps have Thrall reawaken his shaman talents and learn to effectively combine them with his skills as a warrior; becoming stronger in both as a result. Vol’jin gaining power as a Loa is a given the question becomes how strong to make him. Baine is the tricky one, not because he shouldn’t get a power up, but of how to make it believable/interesting. Making Anshe a meaningful part of the lore would certainly be an effective way of doing so.

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The Dwarves are also descendants of the Earthen, the Titanforged take a different role here than Tauren. Azeroth has been speaking to the Tauren in the form of visions for many years, whereas the Dwarves, as former Earthen, have no religious basis to it, but it is rather on duty and only when Azeroth needs them.

Magni: Servant, Tool(Not in a religios way)
Tauren: Believers

We have zero confirmation that Azeroth has ever given the tauren visions. The idea that Azeroth is even the Earthmother has only been kind of eluded to by Baine, and he could’ve been speaking metaphorically.

We know 100% that Azeroth chose Magni to be her voice on Azeroth and directly speaks to him, though.

There’s really no way to spin the titan Azeroth caring about the tauren in any special way without resorting to headcanon.

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We know that the Earthmother had already sent visions to the Tauren.

I don’t mind making Anshe a thing and having the tauren draw some of their power from him- I even proposed this a while earlier.
But I see them having stronger ties to the Earth mother and drawing their strength from her. The sun and moon are eyes of the Earth Mother, and I wouldn’t want them to go out in full force drawing power from the sun when they have an omnipresent Earth spirit to draw from, on all planets and lands.
I do not think the Earth mother needs to be Azeroth, but can be intimately tied to her existence.
In moving to sun worship, I fear the tauren would lose some of the themes they had during their inception, in particular the stronger bond they had to the Earth, and how they drew their power and providence from it. But I’ll admit im a wc3 fan and hate it when races deviate from said themes, instead of building up on them.

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But we don’t know that the Earthmother and Azeroth are the same person. Again, Baine kind of implied this in a single line but that is not a confirmation.

As far as canon goes Azeroth hasn’t officially done a single thing relating to the Tauren and her supreme representative in the world is a dwarf.

God has also never done anything for people, yet people believe in him.Does it really matter if the Earthmother is the Titan, or does it matter that the Tauren believe that Azeroth is the Earthmother? We litteraly known, the night elfs are wrong in their beliefe, Elune were never ever in the Well of Eternity and is not on Azeroths Moon, but thats their beliefing, so, why is it so important thats the Tauren are fully right?

The only right thing, so far, is, thats Elune is the real name. But that is always overlooked, because the name is right, isn’t it? :wink:

From all the “night elves have Elune, it’s unfair because she seems to be something big”.

I mean, the Horde didn’t care about Elune until it came out what she really COULD be, a First One. And since then, there’s been constant envy and people want to make all kinds of characters just Elune 2.0.

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In defense of that, it is only probably because he became more of an earth elemental after doing an elemental ritual.

Yes. Yes it does. Because the tauren are the only race in the game who are just wrong about the beings they worship wholesale. The moon’s name isn’t Mu’sha, it is Elune. The Earthmother isn’t an elemental being, it is a titan gestating on the world’s core.

The night elves might have been wrong about where Elune slept but that is just a single myth, not their entire religion.

And the fact Azeroth’s avatar is a dwarf is, again, like Elune choosing a Zandalari as her high priestess and not Tyrande.

If you can’t see why this all royally sucks for Tauren fans then we don’t really have anything to talk about. There’s no common ground here.

Maybe, but at the same time if Blizzard were going to make the titan soul the Earthmother it really should have been a tauren. Or, at the very least, have Hamuul be her speaker for the Horde and Magni for the Alliance.

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So far, the night elves have been wrong about everything Elune is and could be, except in their name. SL also, by the way, made other things of their religions simply wrong, after all, Elune does not take them to the stars, from which they derive their entire name: “Children of Starlight” Kaldorei.

And honestly, Elune is a Darnassian name, Mu’Sha is a Tauren language name. Otherwise the Tauren are on the same boat, only that they called their being differently, what else is wrong about Mu’Sha.

And that Azeroth is not called Earthmother is now a problem? Honestly, I’d prefer it over them worshipping Terazhane, although Earthmother would be wrong there too.

  • Elune is the white lady => Wrong
  • Elune sleeps in the WOE => False
  • Elune takes them to the stars after their death => False
  • Elune granted them the Irrwish form=> Seemingly false
  • Elune taught them the language of the Titans => As of now correct
  • Elune showed them visions => Status now correct
  • Elune granted them their shape based on their own => False

I don’t know where this always comes from that everything the night elves ever said about Elune is CORRECT. Whereas what we know about the myth is mostly wrong.

My point is that Tauren myths are no more often false than the myths of other races, but it is played up as if it were the case.

Honestly, if Tauren worship Azeroth as a Titan spirit, it could grant them the great shamanistic powers, that natural understanding of nature, of the world itself, that Tauren have.

An’She could mean a kind of embodiment in life and Mu’Sha in death, the Sun and Moon symbolizing life and death, and the duality around it, while the Earth Mother means the here and now, the path from life to death itself. It could represent a deep symbiotic connection in the world itself, just as the dark trolls btw once did, they were just that. A deeply connected race with the world itself

The Tauren could be that as well.

That would be, by the way, also what own, what what still no people has, and not simply an imitation would be from Elune.

It would be something of its own, but yes, of course, it would not be a First one, I get it (although we don’t even know if Elune is a First one, but hey, never mind, ne ;)).

Yikes. Big yikes.