I don’t know, I started seeing red when he suggested that Rukhmar could be related to An’she, is if there was only 1 sun deity in the universe.
man lot of cool stuff here, Really hope they make anshe a thing. It would be cool if they could bring the Yaungol into the horde and they could bring back some of the original traditions. Perhaps this would be a good story for Baine to give him some place in the story(and a backbone while they are at it).
Maybe, though if Elune is suppose to be elevated to a universe Creator, her counterpart should be AT LEAST higher then planetary deities.
I’m not opposed to Rukhmar being connected to An’she, though should be a little more distant. Like Rukhmar being within An’she’s pantheon.
Though I still prefer An’she being something more original then JUST a Sun god.
I still hold my hypothesis that An’she and Musha are actually Both Elune, just different incarnations of the same being. As the Tauren believe, they are two aspect of the Earthmother. I suspect that Elune may go through Phases, much like the Naruu.
If not that, I want to see An’she, not as Elune’s counterpart, mate or rival but just another deity of the Universe. I want to see him as the Creator of not only the Tauren on Azeroth but also the Sylvar in the Shadowlands. Less “Fire/Sun” God and more “Life, Joy, and Song” God. He brings light but not by fire.
There’s nothing wrong with him filling that sun god slot as Elune’s counterpart. However, that can mean SO much more than just fire and the light. He should play into other aspects of fire and the sun, being an emotional deity who throws his entire being into whatever he does. Passion should be his driving force, be it in war, song, or creation. He should OOZE energy and that excitement for all things. Where Elune is more composed and elegant with that savagery lurking beneath the surface, An’she should be wild and untamed, but with a code of honor worn on his sleeve. They should be opposites sure, but they can also be their own characters separate from one another.
Lean into that Apollo aspect. He should be the progenitor of music itself, happy to throw his own voice into the sounds of the various instruments he keeps, which should hella include drums. Something even like Raijin’s drums as something he uses in all aspects of his life.
His light should be almost blinding in comparison to Elune’s. He’s someone who both wants to be noticed himself but also to shine a spotlight on all of creation itself for the beings of the universe and himself to enjoy. That light, while well meaning and nurturing to some may come across as oppressive and harsh to others.
All of that energy can appear almost childish to some, much to the chagrin of the other deities. His highs should be almost over-the-top, but his lows should cause his flames to dim and dip into emotional distress. No matter what, his optimism should always bounce back quickly to create the impression of a god who can’t be kept down.
He should prefer to sing and drink over fighting if possible. But when force is required, he shouldn’t even understand the idea of restraint. What’s the point of doing ANYTHING if you’re not willing to put 120% into it? Any threat to the cosmos on his bad side should know that they had every chance to walk it back before facing him.
Those are just some of the ways I’d like to interpret a solar deity in WoW.
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Most definitely. I posted earlier that He can fit more like a “Pan-like” character, always roaming, never sitting still, with Elune always chasing after him to get him to tend to his responsibilities but he’d rather spend his time roaming the fields, getting lost in flights of fancy.
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It’s not really about An’She, not until today, it’s about forcing a counterdeity, to Elune, at any cost.
Not for the sake of storytelling but so that the horde also has a “god”, I don’t know if you can really make a good story with such a rivalry in mind, because as you say yourself, it’s an attempt to connect everything, just to also create a universal span god, so that this very rivalry can be depicted in the form of a god.
That’s all it’s about today. And pretending it’s about more, namely a really good story, would A) contain more nuances and subtleties and B) not connect everything there is to pick loosely with An’She.
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You’ve come into this thread 3 times to make the same exact tired point. Why do you do this? Do you want to have the same exact back and forth? We can copy paste each other’s previous arguments for maximum efficiency.
Begone, forreal, you’re so tiring. Your arguing against the idea accounts for 80 posts in this 486 post thread. Literally almost a fifth of all posts.
It’s weird yo.
Exactly! As far as cosmic powers go, if we were to make an opposite dynamic, he’d be the spectrum of Life + Light + Chaos + Death + Shadow for me. And that “Chaos” aspect would be not “Fel” as we know it, but “Passion” or “Intensity”
A Smith God + Warrior God + Party God + Ancestral Spooky God
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Remembered!
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You also have a god of universal proportions, Mueh’zala! Rejoice, rejoice, he hates you, you too, he is the past god of your allies, the Horde god. (Scream). You do not need An’She, follow the traditions of the Horde, believe in the evil gods you will disown. (Joyful tapping of teeth).
that was the most cringe and weird post I’ve read in a minute
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Don’t you want to believe in universal evil?
Does this picture mean anything other than the text written on it?
Sethrak! God who hates everything! Oglaf.
I think that’s a good way to go. In a funny way that would reenact the rise and fall of the sun and moon as An’she runs from adventure to adventure with Elune picking up his messes and trying to get him back to work. While showcasing their divinity through the cosmos actually reenacting An’she’s journey and Elune’s eternal dilemma every day, it also gives them character to bounce off each other.
It creates a dynamic between the two where they are connected as ‘siblings’, but interact with with the cosmos in completely different ways and have nearly irreconcilable views on it.
I kinda love it.
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uarks, if you ask me, terrible , so Elune must force an’she to work, otherwise the universe will stop to exist or what whill happened, if she´s not able to force him?
I have no problem to argue against your idea, your the one where feel uncomfortable with it
The sun and the moon chasing each other across the sky is just symbolic for the way they act. Elune certainly can catch An’she, she likely has many times in the past. It’s not so much forcing as it is reminding. So, he does his duty with his usual passion and by the time Elune finishes dusting off her list to see what’s next on the docket, he’s already gone to find his next adventure. So the chase continues. It doesn’t even need to be a constant thing, just a reality Elune knows she has to deal with every time something An’she related has to be done.
We don’t know much about the duties of the First Ones, so we can’t really say anything on what happens if they do their own thing. Probably nothing since the universe is already functional. They likely just add things or provide universal maintenance.
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God how fast it take for alliance player to come in this thread being trigger by the idea of the horde having something powerfull…
Baal, don’t waste your time with Zahir. He always like to claim to be neutral and don’t get why i call him a alliance fanatic but this thread show exactly why he is.
The horde having a Elune counterpart is somehow unfair but he won’t talk about how taking a alliance and horde deity and making it alliance only while making it one of the strongest being in the universe with no horde equal is unfair for the horde.
The tauren being told that one of their deity doesn’t care about them and only care about the night elf is ok but making the other tauren deity a counterpart is somehow unfair…
Zahir talk about losing uniqueness but is super ok with the fact that the super warrior orc race, the supper big tauren warrior race and the tall and super agile troll with regenerative ability are somehow weaker than a single night elf.
All of sudden he have no problem to see the horde, who is suppose to have the strongest warrior to make for the superior alliance magic, not even being the strongest warrior. Nope, that doesn’t take nothing from the horde but DONT let the horde have their elune counterpart…
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I really like a lot of the stuff being proposed in this thread, I personally think the “Elune” exclusivity went out though the proverbial window the moment the devs decided to make her one of the “true” gods and give her a bunch of powers that impact races in both sides of the faction fence. Out of all my personal favorite is Huitzilopochtli, I think something based on him embodies a lot of traditional thematics -both “problematic” and “non problematic”- that are usually associated with the Horde faction.
Personally I don´t see the problem with An´she mirroring Elune´s job in WoW´s story but for the Horde. It makes for an interesting dinamic tbqh -and at least gives a metaphysical reason why the Horde continues to exist eevn with the CHAOTIC clustercensored surrounding the faction and it´s races.
@Baal: no Chiminigagua nor Sué? shame, man!!
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Added! Sue literally has zero art of him, but I managed an artwork (and even then uses the gold figure style of the artifacts), but Chiminigagua I did find!
What’s cool is that “Sun as Chaos” would also give a backdrop to why Demons are the way they are, if they’re “sunspots” on the sun.
Elune started as Night elf goddes in this setting, what are you talking about?
Whats even your point? One thing is uniqueness, different skillthemes are another thematic, and because a night elf is able to counter one of them isn´t in no way a strip of uniqueness of them. Its more a “healthy rivality” if they have an balanced counterpart.
What are you talking about again? I am against creating an Elune clone 2.0 (and don’t deny it, it’s all about that), I never said anything about being against the Horde becoming powerful.
Point is, this demand to get an Elune clone only came up when it became more and more obvious that Elune is special, but she wouldn’t be once you cloned her.
And Mu’sha was a tauren god until blizzard decide that only Elune existed for real and the tauren god was bullcrap.
Its powerfantasy. You are claiming that An’she would negate Elune taking the uniqueness to a alliance power fantasy but have no problem with the horde losing his power fantasy of being the warrior faction by making the alliance race better warrior… If you can’t see how biased this is…
I am talking about 3/4 of the alliance post in this forum being against the idea:
That more than haft the alliance post in the beginning of the thread. You might thing that you have good argument but all in all, its just look like some alliance player not wanting the horde to have god the same way that alliance do…
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It’s not about that at all to me. What bothers me is people think all the playable races should be correct 100% of the time. Playing as a race that wrongly believes in something can be interesting. I actually don’t like the Light and would be happy to have it as an antagonist.
Then you’ll be ecstatic at notion the Draenei, Army of Light, Humans in general, most Blood Elves, Dwarves, some Undead, and more all being wrong and Tauren being right in that the root of all Light is the Sun aka An’she.
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