I wonder if Varian Wrynn’s soul is lost in the maw, if it wasn’t obliterated by fel magic. I really hope not.
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Huh…I wonder if that’s how Blizzard will justify the undead night elves siding with the Horde against the Alliance. Sylvanas’s agents liberated them from their torment in the Maw where Elune and Tyrande didn’t.
Because Draka’s strong. She may have been born ill and weak but she preserved and fought for her place in the world. It was that strength that drew Durotan to her.
Yeah, I might feel she is out of place surrounded by Scourge themes but she has the stuff to carve out a place in a realm build around the survival of the fittest. Hell, for someone from Draenor, that would be their childhood and Draka survived that while physically weak through brains and grit.
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that’s another thing i would like to know, if her was objective was to get as many souls as possible, wouldn’t burning teldrassil also be a part of that plan? but the video seemed to indicate she had simply done it out of a whim on her emotions/anger, if she wanted to get as many souls as possible, shouldn’t she have wanted to originally massacre rather than simply capture teldrassil as a part of her grand scheme?
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Correct.
There would be no point to holding Teldrassil as a bargaining chip if she didn’t want to bargain and only wanted mass deaths (through war).
The only reason I can think of - which is just us filling in narrative gaps and making excuses for the story - is that torching it may have lost her the Horde prematurely which might have ended with the factions not going to war.
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Delaryn gave her an idea on how to spin Malfurion’s survival in a way that would convince the Horde to keep fighting due to her burning the tree right away.
She specifically told Saurfang that his sparing Malfurion derailed his plan and that burning Teldrassil salvaged it. Of course he ended up rebelling and martyred himself kicking her out of the Horde.
The Novella A Good War already stated she already intended to burn the tree but Delaryn’s words convinced her that she could get away with moving up the timetable.
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What I want to know is, if her goal was to send as many souls to the maw as possible, why does she keep raising people?
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So that thry can kill more people for her and act as meat shields she only needs to send enough to save herself
It does not say that it was never the plan just an errant thought. The thought crossed her that in time it will burn like everything else. “In the end death comes for us all” and “Nothing Lasts” and all that.
She never planned on burning it herself until the very end when she was desperately trying to think of a way to salvage the situation. It was spur of the moment not a premeditated plot.
Way I figure it, Sylvanas has been terrified of dying again ever since the Val’kyr brought her back, because, apparently, she didn’t like where she ended up.
With the information we now have, about how The Maw super sucks and is where all the worst people go, I think it’s safe to assume that The Maw is where she ended up.
The Maw is also apparently where the Jailer is imprisoned.
So, what I think her plan might be is…she goes through all this in order to free the Jailer and then gets us to kill it. You know, like we do with every other imprisoned god that gets released when we’re around.
Anyway, once we kill the Jailer, his prison, The Maw, is destroyed as well. And if The Maw is gone, then she can’t get sent there next time she dies. And neither can anyone else.
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That or she intends on usurping his power for her own. Ultimately she wants to avoid the maw so any way she can avoid that fate would probably be fine with her.
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The baffling thing is that the events of Battle for Azeroth aren’t even necessary.
The goal is to get as many souls as possible into the Maw. But it’s not like there’s a shortage of death on Azeroth. We’re faced with near extinction regularly. Legion just had a bunch of people die.
There is no hard number of souls needed and even if there were they could just say that number has been met or is close to being met. Sylvanas could have continued as Warchief, playing nice, right up until things were ready for her to go visit her buddy the Jailer.
The Horde didn’t have an identity crisis and - as admittedly a non-Horde player - I feel they sure as hell didn’t resolve it.
The Alliance just stood dumbly with a stupid look on our faces trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
All for no reason. None of it was necessary to get from Legion to Shadowlands.
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They could have just given us a strait up war no good guys no bad and we could have still had it lead into shadowlands without any of the bs.
We wanted what we saw in the launch cinematic instead we got crap.
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I think it is less about the Jailer and more about the Arbiter. The Arbiter would be the one who sent her there. I suspect the Arbiter is the one who imprisoned the Jailer in the Maw too.
They said that Sylvanas is less of a servant and more of an Ally of the Jailer. I think Sylvanas’s goal is to destroy the Arbiter and break the existing system that determines where souls go when they die. I suspect the Jailer and the Arbiter are ancient death entities that were enemies and that the Arbiter defeated the Jailer and created the Maw as a prison for the Jailer. Thus the Jailer is both the Jailer and the Jailed. Effectively Sylvanas has set things up so the Jailer can break free and use his prison as a seat of power to overthrow the Arbiter. I am also guessing that through Sylvanas he has formed alliances with the likes of Helya and Gorak Tul as well.
Even having her Soul utterly destroyed by the Jailer would be fine with her as we all know that she jumped on Saronite Spikes just so that she would have her Soul be destroyed.
I don’t care about retcons anymore. They’ve been doing it since WC3 and they’ve been awful every time. Just please god let sylvanas be killed once and for all.
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Having her soul destroyed is likely something dhe would not want but would prefer over the maw
Well, his power does nothing to help HIM avoid the Maw, so I’m not sure what good it would do her.
Well apparently no one has been going to him for a while so its possible he never saw Sylvanas the second time.
Even with everything she did pre-wrath she didn’t deserve the Maw. Thats only for souls that have no redeeming qualities at all. Sylvanas even now still holds love for her sisters.
Thats because hes chained. I dont think she would be stuck like him just because she stole his power.
She may also be also trying to skim some of the Anima from the Maw for herself and make her own area of the Shadowlands to rule.
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This passage is from A Good War, taking place while Saurfang and the rest of the Horde army was in Astranaar in Ashenvale. Well before Sylvanas’ final fight with Malfurion at Darkshore. Well before she walked away from Malfurion like a Bond Villain. Well before she talked to Delaryn:
- The kaldorei knew they were outnumbered. They knew their homeland was lost. Maybe a few of them knew in their hearts—just as she knew—that Darnassus would one day burn to ashes.
In the context we know now of her having planned this while working with the Jailer all along, what her emotional outburst might have been more about would be Malfurion and the Alliance returning to save Teldrassil and everyone on it and she wouldn’t be able to hold it, and thus, wouldn’t be able to feed all those souls to the Maw. So she burned Teldrassil before the Alliance could get the chance to draw inspiration from Malfurion’s survival in a panic to still accomplish that.
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