Yes, it’s called feedback that removing only RoP and just giving a flatline 15% dps aura buff will hurt both Arcane and Fire. I even gave reasons why that is so. It’s not just ‘rop removed, dps loss lul’ If you can refute it please do it so.
Similarly yes I said that the new capstones feel weird and weak. Where did I say I want the old ones back?
Cause this you:
New capstones suck, bring back the old capstones that I hated and also sucked”
Maybe fire will be moved to the fire tree of fire pvp talent tree with more or less reworked. We’ll see.
It’s hyperbole. You got defensive because it landed. The semantics argument is pointless.
No, it’s called strawman. I already pointed out. You tried to twist my points so you can make fun of me. I called you out and now you are butthurt. I don’t like it when people put words in my mouth.
Similarly you could not refute anything I said. Thanks for admitting that also.
I made a post with no quote or reply, but somehow you decided it was about you, even though “you never said anything like that”. Something is not adding up here.
No, you are mistaken. I said NOBODY said anything like that.
You made your next post directly quoting me and confirming that your post was about me.
Do you see it now?
I see semantic squirming. Nobody else got defensive. Does “nobody” not include you as well?
Edit: and it actually wasn’t about you lol. It was about general tone on the forums. But when you asked me to find a quote it was no problem getting one.
No, you said that ‘somehow i decided it was about me’
You only quoted me when I called you out.
Then I asked you to specify where in my post you can you find what you wrote, then you backed out promptly.
Nobody said or acted what you wrote in the topic, but having a healthy discussion about what the changes could mean. Then you felt the need to troll in. More funnily enough, for some reason you think you are being in the right here. Talking about the ego.
You decided it was about you when you got defensive (post 56). And it turns out, the shoe fit, I had no problem finding a quote (because the shoe fit) and all that remains now is wearing the shoe. Are you following this analogy? Wear the shoe or do not. I do not care.
No, i did not decide it was about me, untill you decided to quote directly me. I cannot be any more clear than this.
Everyone else who got irrationally defensive about an untargeted post conflating childish behavior with unverified mage complaints, please put your hand up
Please. Now is not the time for fighting. The fact that Blizzard is even making changes to us in the first place is a huge win. Let’s not ruin it by arguing in the comments about little things.
As it’s been pointed out, this is the first pass. This is what we’re getting in the PTR, and it’s likely we’ll see some tweaks coming up. Fire and Arcane are definitely going to lose a bit of burst in their profiles, however, we’re also going to see a bump to our non-burst damage (something that I know that I, personally, have been looking for). It’s going to level out our damage profiles, but that may not be a terrible thing. They’ve still got time and some room to work on things, so it’s possible we may see some other tweaks to make sure our damage isn’t gutted by this (which, from the sounds of it, they’re really trying to avoid).
I do agree with this a lot. [Ice Cold] doesn’t seem all that useful to me if we’re going to sacrifice [Ice Block] for it and it makes it impossible to pick up both [Greater Invisibility] and [Dragon’s Breath] for PvP if we also want to go for the TA choice node.
Its also inferior to block in everyway. Block is crucial for surviving otherwise lethal go in every situation and removing debuffs.
Assuming you can wall and run cryofreeze to heal during it its still a ton of talent investment for what amounts to a 70% wall for 6 on a 4 minute cd. It also won’t heal as much due to shorter duration.
It’s very much just a PVE and maintaining dps thing and should be a choice node.
Additionally Reabsorption/Reduplication should be passive and baked into talent and something interesting put into its place. Not torghast mirror strength but something that makes it a bit more interesting.
Perhaps dropping target on cast and every image copies your spells but does zero damage but for all intents and purposes appears as a player with targetting and HP without any players being able to tell the real from fakes. If they are given player healthpool then remove the 20% wall portion with talent. Have it also move in opposite directions of player always. So If i blink one direction it blinks the other way or better yet on cast each image blinks/shimmers in a different direction and begins copying your spell casts.
Mirror image has become one of most boring talents in entire game time to modernize it imo
I did a bit of messing around on the PTR and I have to say the massive abundance of Arcane Charges feels very good. The change to Siphon Storm is nice QoL but I would rather it be removed or the beta two charge Evo be added back (why did they remove that anyways?).
Personally one thing I like in the current talent tree for Paladins is the combination of Avenging Wrath talents, and think that combining Radiant Spark with TotM in a similar way could help a lot with the ramp bloat, IE: Radiant Spark replaces TotM, while keeping its spell accumulation mechanic. Also I don’t know if it’s a bug or what but Radiant Spark stacks are still consumed by individual Arcane Missiles, please change.
I agree, it’s genuinely terrible and should be removed, have its CD reduced or actually reduce a meaningful amount of damage. People meme on Astral Shift but it’s literally twice as effective as MI.
With the new displacement healing you it would be cool if they changed alter back to how it was in MoP. Allowing you to alter time procs and return mana to where it was.
Having abilities that can be used defensively or offensively is great concept
Same thing with Images, they are killable and provide a 20% damage reduction. But what if they casted Gpie, Glacial, Arcane blast like they did in Torghast. In pvp players can target them and kill them, much like a psyfiend, or now observer.
I feel like science needs to be done on Mass Barrier due to its interactions with the other barrier talents. It might be a sleeper-hit depending on the circumstance.
Like, for Diverted Energy, would it also heal you and your three party members? Or, because of the wording “Your barriers heal you” would casting it heal yourself for 4 times the normal amount?
Does Energized Barriers also return procs from using Mass Barrier on the tank? More importantly, does Energized Barriers make it so you can break snares on your party? Could be some wild implications if so.
Lol, they should didn’t want to give us any indication of it though. BUT What awesome changes on the blue post. I mean, like everything (almost) we’ve been asking for. I am for real interested in the arcane orb tree and I think I was like “AWESOME” on 4 or 5 of the listed changes. Can’t wait to play around with it and enjoy the class again!
I am excited by this, unless it’s a super weak barrier, then “meh”, but I would very much like to be a better utility player and this helps, I hope.
Sadly, that will never happen. Can you imagine the nerd-rage if suddenly we had images helping us DPS? RMP left everyone so bottom sore that any perceived additional advantage will start the wail train.
That said, I’d love alter time to snap shot buffs again!