Maexxna and Sapphiron "Double Attack" Hidden Ability?

Bigboy-executus · April 23, 2021, 7:39am

Many guilds are reporting tanks being insta killed by these bosses this week after the patch. They are literally doing 2 attacks instantly only separated with 1 batch (now 0.01s). After some research this appears to be a hidden ability that these bosses, as well as many other bosses, have had the whole time. We just didn’t realize it because the batch time separating them was 0.4s so we thought it might be parry haste or something else.

Search wowhead for “Double Attack” or ability ID#18943.

Check your logs on these bosses for this week and you will see that your tank is hit with 2 attacks with 0.1s between them. approx 20% of all attacks the boss makes.

I am not 100% sure these bosses actually have this ability as I can’t find anything on wowhead or any other website linking it to them. But wowhead does NOT list cleave under Sapphirons abilities (which she clearly does), so who knows what other abilities she has we are not aware of. Someone else told me about the ability and said these mobs had it. Still trying to get a source from them proving it is true.

Anyone else have any thoughts? What is going on here people! Tanks are dying here!

Edit: inb4 PArrYhaSte Parryhaste can only reduce an attack by 40% of its total duration and it can not be reduce below 20% of its total duration. These attacks are 0.01s apart. Parry Haste is not capable of increasing a mobs attack speed that much.

plz hlp. how can she slap

Jedai-mankrik · April 23, 2021, 7:58am

Saph got sick of getting farmed bro

Cauchy-heartseeker · April 23, 2021, 11:49am

Wait, raid bosses can actually kill you? NERF IT IMMEDIATELY!

Ezekielf-illidan · April 23, 2021, 2:58pm

Sapphiron is a dude, dude.

Bearhands-faerlina · April 23, 2021, 3:50pm

Maexx has always had a pseudo “thrash” ability. The attacks do seem to be coming closer together since the patch though. I could find thrash sequences of just under a second pre-patch, but after they’re coming literally milliseconds apart. We had a tank get hit for 10k in .02 seconds and then a second later take 2 more hits within .6 of each other, for about 15k in 1 second (with a dodge)

Csr-dethecus · April 23, 2021, 5:19pm

Looking at this week’s logs for my guild (compared to last week) this does seem to be a thing.

Briefly looking through our logs it seems like Maexxna, Anub, Sapph, and Gluth all were doing double swings less than .05 seconds apart.

Chucktaurus-fairbanks · April 23, 2021, 5:40pm

Sounds like parry haste. Tell your melee to stop standing in front of the boss.

Valierium-bleeding-hollow · April 23, 2021, 6:40pm

Who the hell stands in front of sapp…?

Bigboy-executus · April 23, 2021, 6:56pm

These bosses had/have a ability called “Double Attack” which we did not know about until now because they were separated by 1 batch always which use to be 400ms. now it is 10ms so we can see it. Parry Haste can only increase the attack speed by 40% of the original speed and can’t reduce an attack to anything below 20% of the original swing time. 0.01s between attacks is too fast to be 20% of a bosses attack speed so it is not parry haste. Plus people have seen Maexxna do the double attack while entire raids are web spray stunned so parryhaste could not occur.

Qbert-fairbanks · April 23, 2021, 7:30pm

Anyone claiming parry haste doesnt know what theyre talking about. Some of these double attacks are literally simultaneous.

|00:00:09.868|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2084
|00:00:09.895|Sapphiron Melee TANK Miss

|00:00:17.875|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2532
|00:00:17.911|Sapphiron Melee TANK 3498 Crushing

|00:01:14.208|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1989
|00:01:14.236|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2263

|00:02:01.789|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2050
|00:02:01.789|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1976

|00:02:10.126|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2155
|00:02:10.157|Sapphiron Melee TANK Dodge

|00:02:49.589|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2094
|00:02:49.617|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2067

|00:02:55.047|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2183
|00:02:55.078|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1901

|00:03:07.923|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1681
|00:03:07.964|Sapphiron Melee TANK Dodge

|00:03:17.171|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2244
|00:03:17.206|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1783

|00:03:27.307|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1862
|00:03:27.329|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1841

|00:04:29.836|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2651
|00:04:29.855|Sapphiron Melee TANK Dodge

|00:04:48.871|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2320
|00:04:48.871|Sapphiron Melee TANK Miss

|00:04:55.627|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1825
|00:04:55.655|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2082

|00:04:59.117|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2143
|00:04:59.144|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1803

|00:05:10.760|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2486
|00:05:10.814|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2479

|00:05:22.991|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1850
|00:05:22.991|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2302

|00:05:26.283|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1971
|00:05:26.312|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2077

|00:05:30.655|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1989
|00:05:30.678|Sapphiron Melee TANK Miss

|00:06:40.614|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1895
|00:06:40.643|Sapphiron Melee TANK Parry

|00:06:49.251|Sapphiron Melee TANK 376
|00:06:49.281|Sapphiron Melee TANK Dodge

|00:07:15.240|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2270
|00:07:15.266|Sapphiron Melee TANK 1813

|00:07:23.899|Sapphiron Melee TANK 2291
|00:07:23.944|Sapphiron Melee TANK 550

Cauchy-heartseeker · April 23, 2021, 7:43pm

Sounds like you need a real tank who can actually take hits.

Zalanii-herod · April 23, 2021, 7:52pm

How to say you aren’t a serious raider without saying you’ve ever raided.

Chucktaurus-fairbanks · April 23, 2021, 8:08pm

All the timestamps you listed are within 10ms or more, which is the new spell batch window which was previously 400ms. Seeing as that is one thing that just changed with this patch and the problem just arose I would imagine it’s quite possibly related. Don’t you think it’s possible parry hasting has a much shorter window now along with the spell batching change?

Bigboy-executus · April 23, 2021, 8:15pm

The only thing that makes us think this is not parry haste is because it can only speed a attack to 20% of its original attack speed, which is not 0.01s (b/c that would mean these bosses are attacking every 0.05s). Plus it is only Anub, Gluth, Maex and Sapp doing this. No one has a log showing any other mob doing it. So it appears to be different than parry haste. It appears to be a “Double Attack” spell the boss can proc with a % on all auto attacks.

Cauchy-heartseeker · April 23, 2021, 8:24pm

I really don’t know why people are whining. It’s all a face roll.

Couchy-moon-guard · April 23, 2021, 8:34pm

I thought everyone wanted raids to be harder just like on pservers? Looks like they got their wish.

Couchy

Hoofsman-herod · April 23, 2021, 8:58pm

I’m just glad there is still little things being found.

Cauchy-heartseeker · April 23, 2021, 9:01pm

Seriously, if you can’t eat 10k, you don’t belong in Naxx. Git gud. The healers shouldn’t have an issue keeping up with that, either. Pathetic.

Qbert-fairbanks · April 23, 2021, 9:10pm

Oh look, wrong again. Poor troll, hitting roadblocks must hurt.

Couchy-moon-guard · April 23, 2021, 9:14pm

Uncrushables? I’m pretty sure they’re Uncrustables!

Couchy