OP should add strawpolls for which version of AV people want
Feedback in terms of what exactly? Just curious to see what type of feedback you think they should take away from a beta.
From what you have typed here, I’m not sure you are aware of the Blizzard beta/ptr track record. I’ll bow out of this conversation then.
Beta is not as mandatory as you seem to want me to believe. Even more so, beta “testers” are much more rare than you want me to believe. They are previewers at best.
Essentially referring to the fact a lot of systems weren’t fleshed out on BFA launch, people complain in BETA and the game was released with barely any changes. For Classic, its really just about things working as they did back in 1.12.1, I could see blizzard just scimming over an outcry against increased regen (evident in the demo), sharding etc… things along those lines.
Classic needs a beta, but it doesnt need to be extensive since a version of the game was already released and they should know what is working and what is broken fairly easily.
I participate in every single beta I get invited to even if I am not currently playing the game. And everytime I start playing the bugs are CRAZY COMMON. And every single build after that it is bugs just getting squished left and right. I am convinced you haven’t actually been in a beta or even tried to pay attention to bugs in one.
I am not saying I know how mandatory it is, I am saying if blizzard thinks it is mandatory, then they will have one. You don’t know if it is more mandatory than blizzard themselves so you aren’t fooling anyone. Also, I never said they weren’t rare or super common, but they are there and suggesting that no one bug reports is hilarious to me.
This is what I am talking about, betas are not for player feedback on how they think systems should/shouldn’t work that is not how this works. Beta testers are not game devs and should not be listened to. Every quest you turn in during a beta pops up a window and it asks you if the quest was bugged and if it was you write down what went wrong with it. That is the beta testers job, nothing else. That or if there is a bug with your character in terms of spells or something of that nature then you report that. Beta testers aren’t there to say “Hey so uh…yeah this AP system is really bad and none of the buffs make sense, you should change them to XXX”. No that is not their job and those reports should be and are trashcanned.
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Fair enough
I thought about it. I’m not familiar with all the versions though and it wasn’t a big question of interest for me. 1.5 is the super difficult version with powerful NPCs that caused very long games right? And along the way 1.12 becomes the nerfed version where it is easier to zerg/race to the end?
Edit: I added a beta poll for Rista. Hope my version is acceptable.
Nice try putting words in my mouth. There is a difference between reporting bugs and reason they are there is to preview.
Anyway, not trying to convince you of anything. You believe what you want. If Blizzard has a beta, you will see what you want to see there too. If Blizzard does not have a beta. It will still be OK.
In both cases, Blizzard will still be hot fixing and patching post launch. If launching sooner is possible, some will prefer that option.
Oh, look, we’ve had a conversation over a beta. Maybe a strawpoll should be added for that.
Reported as spam…
You don’t need to convince me of anything because there ins’t anything to convince. Just like you said, if blizzard wants a beta to test quests then they will, if they don’t think they need it then they won’t. Which is why I said a poll for it is ridiculous.
It’s all good guys. I added the beta poll and worded it appropriately (I think). “Do you want there to be a classic beta?” These are our opinions and it’s ultimately blizzards prerogative whether they need one. I fully expect there to be one but who knows.
As with EVERYTHING to do with Classic, that can be said. So why bother with a straw poll at all.
AV is a hard one for me to word out nice and pretty cause there is a lot going on with it. It’s not as clean cut as 1.12 vs 1.5 IMO. It’s been forever since people have even SEEN 1.5. Private servers don’t perfectly emulate old AV and I don’t think any are able to replicate the original version as far back as 1.5. There was a boss that dropped gear and the summonable bosses apparently dropped gear? I didn’t even know that. Lots of stuff only stuck around for a patch or two.
I listed 1.5 and 1.12 with their nuances and added a third conglomeration of the 2. Let me know if this is acceptable. I didn’t specific that 1.12 is more of a race, but really it is.
https://strawpoll.com/p9z9hdf3
^ Don’t trust my judgement on this one. Not adding it until people approve. I might need to reword this entirely. Vote at your own risk.
Because vanilla had a a lot of change during it’s lifespan and also had a lot of features that don’t exist in todays client like spell batching and such, so these can be discussed to let blizzard know what we would prefer…
But a beta isn’t about preference. It’s not like blizzard is thinking “Hey do you guys think we should have a beta for this thing if people would rather just play the game with bugs that make it unplayable?”. No… this isn’t a discussion to be had. If blizzard thinks there are too many bugs to release, they will add a beta. If they think it is basically bugless and they have it down pat then they won’t have one.
Great Idea, I hope you get a decent sample of responses and Blizz looks at this.
Bug testing would be very limited. Ultimately, it’s going to be only technical testing, which was probably covered in the Blizzcon demo.
If the idea is to re-release the patch with all the quirks that existed in the game, the bugs are there to stay. There’s no reason to beta test classic because 99% of the bugs that people will find are the bugs that were corrected in the next patch.
This isn’t true… they aren’t going off of a carbon copy of the patch 1.12 client. They took patch 7.3.5 or whatever it is and are basically just making it LOOK like vanilla. The bugs that come out of making classic will be completely unique bugs. Sure some MAY be similar to ones we had in vanilla but they will be bugs that are completely independent of any version of WoW that was ever current. And there will for sure, without a doubt, be new bugs that will inevitably need fixed because they break a quest, make a spell not work as intended, or whatever else could happen. We have no idea how many of these bugs there are ATM and it is possible that the game could be released in a state with little to no bugs and not need a beta. But it is also possible that it is littered with bugs and blizzard needs as much resources they can get to find most of them.
But you are right that if there was a beta test it would for sure be shorter than any other beta test in the past, because of the knowledge we have for vanilla we will instantly know how things should and shouldn’t work. For example, if there is an escort quest and the guy respawns after 5 seconds of dieing we know that it is a bug because we have done that quest so many times we know his respawn should at least be 5 minutes or whatever. But in a brand new expansion we wouldn’t know any better.
That’s not how Blizzard works a beta but OK. Blizzard is not going to ask permission to keep things like spell batching. If that’s a “feature” they have in place and don’t want to spend the time/effort to remove it. Then it stays.
Blizzard has always used a beta to build hype. It’s why unsubbed players streamers get invites more often than not.
Do we need hype or launch.
Yeah that’s why they had betas in TBC because all them streamers streaming that game. Same with vanilla’s beta oh and lets not forget the massive streaming population of the WotLK beta.
Yeah a beta can be free advertisements for them through streamers today, but if you think that is all it is for them you 100% have never been in a beta, or tested in one. Anyone who has been in a beta can tell you the first version of the expansions are basically in shambles in terms of bugs. During the BfA beta so many quest lines were bugged that I was unable to continue 2 zones basically from the start because I couldn’t complete any quests.
That is how betas work, they are bugged, they need people to find the bugs, people go in there and find the bugs, those bugs get fixed.
Just because they also use beta as an advertisement doesn’t mean that it is the only reason they have them on there. You are completely out of your element here bud you clearly know next to nothing about betas.
EDIT: Here you go sweet heart
See how many bugs this random guy got? See how he is reporting them all? This is what happens during beta and this is the main reason they are there.
Are we comparing all those new release expansions to:
- Existing client/server/database modded to Classic’s needs
- Existing content.
Take the demo from BlizzCon. Could that have used a beta, probably. They didn’t though and it was fine. They hot fixed all throughout the demo’s lifespan. By the end of the demo there were plenty of people reporting positive feedback.
Not having a beta and going straight to launch is possible. Why? Because Blizzard isn’t going to launch a product that has poor performance and any game breaking bugs can be hot fixed on demand.