M+ Tanking for the perspective of a previous key pusher who quit after KSM this season

[Amyrii-echo-isles]

@Sôsari-dalaran

No, the argument was that tanks were capable of soloing bosses from 40% and being able to self-sustain indefinitely. Tanks were too strong and overall we are in a good spot, as is, minus balancing between tanks.

Which is how it should be. Even in ff14 tanks can solo. It’s just that it’s wildly inefficient and takes forever. Tanks should be able to self sustain for the most part 100%

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Amyrii-echo-isles

Which is how it should be

No, how is it fair that they can self-sustain indefinitely in what’s supposed to be end-game and challenging content when every other role are struggling to survive? Tanks not needing heals also lead to healers complaining about having to DPS.

Tanks can currently self-sustain and mitigate damage enough, but are resource limited to not be able to do it indefinitely.

[Amyrii-echo-isles]

@Sôsari-dalaran

No, how is it fair that they can self-sustain indefinitely in what’s supposed to be end-game and challenging content when every other role are struggling to survive? Tanks not needing heals also lead to healers complaining about having to DPS.

We need more tanks and healers.Both roles need to be made easier in 5 man content

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

For healing to be fun, people need to be able to die.

Where people can’t die, it’s boring.

And ideally, the ability to fail is needed.

People dying isn’t enough.

And LFD is super easy, but wager it takes longer to get into groups there.

Oh this reminds me, I tried queuing for LFR, but it was taking too long so I just did heroic.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Etrich-bloodsail-buccaneers

Tanks having next to no self-sustain and gimped damage is demonstrably not a good thing if we look at current class distribution metrics.

Sounds like your tanks dunno how to push their buttons.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Amyrii-echo-isles

Both roles need to be made easier in 5 man content

No they don’t, that’s the point of having infinite difficulties.

@Amyrii-echo-isles

We need more tanks and healers.

Which isn’t dictated my difficulty. It’s because of low tier difficulties and the community doing them. There’s a reason there’s countless threads about tanks being kicked from LFD, getting raged at, and being pulled for. There’s a reason people complain about tank shortages in low key brackets and not high keys or guild groups.

The community turns away pug tanks in low tier content.

[Foxmulder-the-venture-co]

@Etrich-bloodsail-buccaneers

Tanks having next to no self-sustain and gimped damage is demonstrably not a good thing

Tanks who know what buttons to press can do amazing things

@Etrich-bloodsail-buccaneers

Virtually everyone I know who tanks, many of which have mained the role for a decade or longer, have simply stopped. Some even outright quit the game. Their reason? Near-universally the reduction in self-sustain and damage.

Sounds like they should learn how to play their class again?

[Amyrii-echo-isles]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Which isn’t dictated my difficulty. It’s because of low tier difficulties and the community doing them. There’s a reason there’s countless threads about tanks being kicked from LFD, getting raged at, and being pulled for. There’s a reason people complain about tank shortages in low key brackets and not high keys or guild groups.

The community turns away pug tanks in low tier content.

We’ll agree to disagree then on what people want

[Dazluzzak-emerald-dream]

I am super against making everything easier, we already have entry-level class for every role and some players dont have fun playing dumbed down specs (which is ironically the biggest complaint I’ve seen people doing about Guardian Druid, survivability comes after). The thing is that it wasn’t just tanks that got durability nerfs: there is also a level squish and an increased timer penalty for deaths, so people came from DF thinking they were gods while pulling every pack available and got crushed real quick with new expansion. Cmon, I barely pressed cared about defensive CDs in DFS4 until +12 keys in Tyr, if anything this isn’t right.

[Amyrii-echo-isles]

Well there needs to be some middle ground here but I do strongly feel tanks should be in charge of their own health for the most part when played well. Of course if you’re doing super high keys that might not be the case but for those lower keys let them be tanky

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Amyrii-echo-isles

Of course if you’re doing super high keys that might not be the case but for those lower keys let them be tanky

This is already how it is.

[Dazluzzak-emerald-dream]

Give DK a chance!