What class/spec do you play? I find it extremely hard to believe that neither of those bosses drop an upgrade for you.
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Post from your main please.
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M+ is a very different beast from raiding and imho appeals to a very different crowd.
For starters, M+ is faster. Putting aside how a dungeon is smaller then a raid, the Que time is constantly pushing players to be moving faster, faster, faster in ways that Raiding simply doesn’t. This also forces players to consider when to utilize their CD’s a little more carefully since in the time that it takes to get to the next boss you might not have enough time to recover from your Blood lust CD.
Second, the rotating affixs can drastically change a dungeons’ relative difficulty and call for wildly different approaches.
3rd, Trash is incredibly relevent in M+ and can be more of a threat then the bosses at times.
4th, you need to be on your game; in a 25 man raid you can afford to be middling, but in M+ at over 10 you can’t afford to be lack luster and expect to be invited back.
5th: there is only one loot drop in M+ and that’s at the end. If your group flames out you get nothing other then a degradation of your key, wheras in M+ you can still get BOEs with a tiny bit of luck.
So yeah: M+ isn’t really better or worse IMHO, it’s just really different.
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This is 100% demonstrably false. Gearing up fully in M+ takes months longer than raid. You have to literally wait for your weekly chest, and then get lucky. You have to pray your top end azerite lottery is kind to you as well from the vendor.
You 1000% get geared up faster from raid than M+
465 loot is only really considered good for the first week or two. After that any piece that is under mythic item level, unless it has your corruption on it, is weaker.
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carapass drops a shoulder and nzoth drops a helm that both i can get from res vendor.
How is m+ at fault for that?
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Nah man, you can’t. Those Azerite pieces have BiS traits for almost every spec. The vendor does not for most specs.
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since you seem to struggle with reading comprehension
the problem is the amount of gear it hands out not the Ilvl
M+ 465 loot max - 475 1x per week.
Heroic raid 460 to 470 BIS 12+ potential drops per week.
Mythic raid 475 to 480 BIS - 12 + potential drops per week.
Think you might not be looking at the big picture.
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Power progression (which is mostly gear) is what keeps me interested in playing long term. This is true whether we’re talking about Raiding or Mythic+.
The issue is that Raiding requires tremendously more time, effort, skill, and coordination than the equivalent level of M+.
Then on top of that, M+ has no lockout, making it tremendously efficient for gearing in a way Raiding can’t compete with until Mythic Raid ilvl due to the weekly chest timegate.
I’m fine with multiple gearing paths, but these 2 paths are balanced terribly against each other.
Mythic+ in general is balanced terribly against -every- other form of content and it makes it hard for me to justify putting my time elsewhere.
if you’re raiding for pixel instead of for the challenge, classic is that way.
Ya best start believing in troll threads
Because you’re in one
The gear is inferior to raid gear. It literally takes you months to get fully equipped in top gear from m+ vs raid. And then, you can go weeks getting the wrong stats or item, or corruption on those items.
Where in a raid, if you’re in a competent team, you can legit get fully geared out in 1-2 weeks if they feed you. Something that is literally impossible in M+
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The vendor onces are 480 and sims higher to me than the once off the last 2 bosses.
You forget the fact that that 12 chances of drops is divided by 20 people. .
This is the issue for me too. M+ has little effort but more gain. Raiding on the other hand has more effort, but little gain.
How is this a troll thread? When it’s a legitimate discussion?
also most BIS comes from M+ now a days because of the insane trinkets
What?!? Almost every single one of my BIS trinkets have been raid exclusives tier after tier.
People are still wearing trinkets from the previous raid because they are that broken.
Are we all living on different planes of existence?
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I did not forget this at all. Each boss drops loot that 12 chances. plus bonus rolls also have the chance of gear getting passed to you.
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It should also be pointed out that the weekly chest loot is insanely random; It’s litterally a piece from any dungeon in the expansion relevent to your spec when you open that chest, so it could be just about anything.
Like say… a cloak.
I see people mentioning this a lot but the fact is you get 8 chances of loot plus tokens which results in more loot than that 1 guaranteed piece in the weekly chest.
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This is true.
A corrupted 475 weapon from Mechagon sims higher than anything off raid for me right now . 
heck even the mechagon rings corrupted or not corrupted are bis for me more than the once from raid.
Not true. Coral is still BIS for a few classes. Gale is pretty OP so is the trinket off siege.