M+ is garbage now

Isn’t everything capped because every player has 15 kids and works 7 jobs and yet decided an MMO was the type of game they wanted to play? And then you further go on about skill issues, not time issues. Weird.

I don’t understand how this impacts you. Even with overzealous tuning of delves cutting out the legs of low-mid M+ progress, most people are still progressing their mains through that range. We’re probably looking at a month’s worth of progressing for the bubble of non-Mythic players. If delves hadn’t dumped a truckload of gear on everyone the week before M+ was even out it would have been significantly longer.

If your actual gripe is literally just that every track of gear should be available to you, that seems unreasonable, no? If your skillcap, key-wise, leaves you doing keys in the Champion-Hero track range, what does it matter that there’s a minority out there doing higher keys and getting gear with bigger stats?

I can see some people preferring bigger pulls, but this has nothing to do with catering to elites. Just a preference thing.

Isn’t this a good thing though? Instead of playing the affixes (this is my first season of M+ so I’m parroting a gripe I’ve heard before) you now have an “affix” that simply rewards executing on the base dungeon well.

Sounds like the typical Smite experience.

Just because you can’t cope doesn’t mean everyone who can are “elitists”. You are basing everything on “feelings” instead of actual facts.

We are currently at 27.5% KSM.
Historically, we see 30-35% at the end of 6-8 months.

Let that number sink in.


We started the season at ~605 ilvl coming out of M0. The season cap is 639 which means the ilvl gap is 34 ilvls.

The historical season to season ilvl gap is 26.

Let that number sink in.


Both of these mean that even though we are starting with 50% below the standard ilvl gap from season to season, 27.5% of characters who participated in M+ have already achieved KSM.

Stop trying to rush progression. If you weren’t pushing 15s and 20s this early in past Season 1s then don’t expect to right now.

You can’t compare mid-expansion season to seasons to now because of the fact that we have to cover 34 ilvls, started with no tier, started with no embellishments, no bis trinkets, ect.

Learn the mechanics. Learn to interrupt.

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they are already working to solve this issue in the upcoming patch, relax

I got no problem with things being hard. Healing heroics as a Shaman in DF was “hard”, but it was still fun. Mythics are, at the core, unfun - as they are now. And that’s coming from someone who LOVES souls games. I know you can just queue for heroics, LFR, old classic raids, Delves now (that imo are fun with a 80 DPS) ect., but heck Raiding still relies on the group knowing the mechanics to win and it doesn’t feel make me feel like having a bowl of 12 gage bullets for breakfast.

I’ll just go tank raids cause that’s the easiest form of endgame content now lmfao.

A better idea would be making sure things actually work correctly before going live.

But we’re in an era now where we are expected to consume bugged garbage and enjoy it.

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Everybody’s skill has a content wall and everybody will complain no matter where that wall is. If they shift the goal posts, you’ll then complain about that positioning. If not it’s because it’s catered specifically to those in your position but aggravates a bunch of others.

or “how to alienate 99.9% of your player base by catering to hardcore elitists”

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I mean dont they have like people in office that make these decision lol … If people cant play they are going to leave, no one wants to stick around if they are not winning cuz its not fun

Yup. Unfortunately all the real talent left when Blizz decided to try to force them back into the office.

I agree i am so tired of blizzard catering to the toxic elitist!

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Yeah im hating M+ this season. It feels aimed towards esports more then ever.

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Don’t bother with these folks. What I’ve come to realize is players at their level are some of the most ignorant & obnoxious people that refuse to improve/adapt & blame everyone but themselves.

Crying about “0.01% elitists” give me a break :joy:

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Hyperbolic and clearly not true.

True, but I won’t let them create an echo chamber if I can help it lol.

I really liked DF s3. :slight_smile: I had a lot of fun healing in the lower mythics. 4-6 was a lot of fun. Esp. 4. :slight_smile:

Me too, sir/ma’am. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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They still put in a legendary in Dragonflight. Doesn’t matter if no one liked it, they literally did it in 2 more expansions lol… But okay, continue to tell us all things we all already know.

“making literally any content for” and “catering to” are not the same thing fyi

Wouldn’t high keys exist regardless of how they set up the reward structure?

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