M+ gilded crest and character growth is a problem

I ran heroic raid, got my vault, max upgraded what I could using runed crest, and now that’s it, my week is done. This is because the only way I can get gilded crests, which I need to upgrade further, are locked behind +9 keys. Which I can’t get invites to no matter what.

Here is my main issue, gilded crest are only coming from 9s and above. I have 615 ilvl, 2226 io, everything timed on +8 or ++7s and I have sat in que for HOURS and never got a single invite to +9. Without +9s, I can’t get gilded crests, without gilded crests I can’t get ilvl to get into +9s… really a fun situation that been caused by changing crest and vault reward levels.

Even next week, if I run full 8’s this week, my vault will give 619 which isn’t enough to increase my ilvl over what I already have. So, I’m just stuck in infinite limbo with no way to grow my character weeks into an expac. Super fun design choices.

For all the trolls, I don’t mythic raid, I have in the past, but I don’t have the static time to currently. Saying I should have to mythic raid is not a real solution and is just silly.

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While there’s an argument to be had about the time spent waiting in queue, the simple solution here is to form your own groups with your own key.

You’re running 8s. List your key and fill the group. Yeah, it’ll take time to fill it but you’ll at least have a guaranteed invite. :wink:

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That’s his complaint. Even if you have the key, because you don’t have the +9 previously timed, people do not join.

Sitting as a pugging DPS even on your own keys for 40+ minutes is not an acceptable situation.

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Thank you, someone with a brain on the forums. A rare sight indeed.

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I would just say you’re done with the season then. Why chase that extra item levels

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Thats the horrible part, it feels as if that’s the only logical choice at the moment. Weeks into an expansion and patch and even though I know I’m capable of doing more content, they new system makes it near impossible, fun stuff.

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Looking at your character profile there are at least two slots you could be trying to upgrade in a +7?

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Gotta hope next season is better. This season is dead in the water until we see changes

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100% feel you and agree.

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I spent the 2nd week getting my gear as high as I could and pushing up my score to get into 7s. I hadn’t really looked into it, but I assumed that gilded crests started dropping at +7, since that was where delve vault gear topped out, and where the brutal and unnecessary 15 second death penalty started. I was so excited when I finally managed to get an invite to one, only to have my excitement turn to severe disappointment and foreboding when I realized that it only dropped valorstones and runic crests, both of which I was capped on. That’s when I realized I was going to be in for weeks and weeks of waiting for the runic crest cap to go up by 90 per week and only getting heroic gear, not able to start getting my one myth piece per week to slowly fill out the gear before next season. It was week 2 of the season, and I was effectively gear capped. In past expansions, there was always the feeling that there was more I could do to grind out better gear in the early weeks, and I was only limited by the time I wanted to put in. But now, for the first time since I can remember, there was basically no reason for me to play the game anymore for that week, on the second week of the raid being out. It was a very strange and hollow feeling. And now that the week has rolled over, I got my one vault piece (which didn’t even come from the 8 delves or M+ I did last week), and I’ve already gotten more than half of my weekly runic crest allotment. Now I’m facing the prospect of grinding another week of brutal keys, with very little gear improvement from grinding for hours last week, just to try to push score up to try to get an invitation to even more brutal keys, knowing that it’s going to take hours to get each one, and they could fall apart in seconds due to the increased death penalty, and the mad damage from both tyrannical and fortified at the same time. But I also feel like I need to do it because the raid is brutal too, even on heroic, and I don’t feel like we can clear it with just the gear that comes from raid.

I almost didn’t buy this expansion. I agonized over it for a long time, and finally bought it 4 days before it came out. The upgrade system they added in dragonflight burned me out at lightspeed with feeling like I had to pug 16 M+ every week just to maintain two characters. Luckily (if you can call it that), my main guild was destroyed the same season that the upgrade system was released, so I was able to drop my alt, but not they’ve made it even worse, so that even gearing one character feels like an exhausting, unrewarding exercise in futility. The consumables and enchants are expensive and weak, I spent 100k for a crafted weapon with an embellishment just for it to be like a 0.4% dps increase, and now I find out that the only way to get better gear to do wait hours for an invite to a brutally punishing key, once I even grind my score up to that point. After weeks of trying to decide whether to buy this expansion or finally walk away after 20 years, I’m still not sure I made the right decision. I was really hoping for a more relaxing pace this expansion, and instead it’s unmitigated brutality in raid and out, with any hope of improving my gear even farther out of reach than it’s ever been. It’s really not fun.

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It used to be. People barely even seem to be queing up these days. Especially if god forbid you’re stuck in 2-3 dead zone.

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I’ve been playing since vanilla. I love m+. It’s all I did during DF outside of my guild raid. This is also the first time I haven’t got a multi month subscription. I’ve got 3 weeks left on this monthly sub. I just don’t have the time and token investment to have to same power level I had in DF. My schedule hasn’t changed Blizzards has. This feels like a bad relationship and we’re like right on the cusp of breaking up.

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You know… just to be sure I read the original post twice. Not once did I see any point that they stated they waited in queue from listing their own key. The only complaint I read was that they couldn’t get invited to keys. And the fact that they don’t raid in the mythic difficulty.

You know what would be a rare sight, indeed? Seeing someone that, instead of complaining and coming up with every excuse under the sun why it’s just. not. fair. they look for a solution to their problem and act upon it.

  • Suck it up and list your own keys. (Which you have not stated to any extent that you already do).
  • Ask your guild for help according to your schedule. It doesn’t fit? Find a new guild that does. There are guilds that solely focus on M+ and no Mythic raiding.
  • Join any one of the major Discord communities that focus on Mythic+ content and allow you to advertise and join groups.
  • Make friends running M+ - a good portion of my list are simply from pugging M+ content. “When you’re running keys, let me know.”

Sure, it sucks that we have to resort to some outside utilities to get the job done but it doesn’t mean that the solutions aren’t there. I just gave you 4 methods in which you can potentially improve your situation. Now you can either use them or sit here and continue to argue how nobody on the forums has a brain. Up to you.

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M+ is in the worst states its ever been, lets blame the players, that will work out!

And not the devs who pushed an expansion that was alt friendly and a “play how you want to” attitude then basically killed one of the three end game pillars because raiders have a fragile ego.

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I don’t really think it’s that bad. I was capped on gilded crests last week. 9’s are like the same as 8s pretty much so maybe you could just run your key up or learn to tank and then you wouldn’t be lost in a sea of dps players. If anything, I think the cap is too low.

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If your only 615 ilvl you most likely spent runed crests frivously instead of farming heroic pieces from 7s before upgradeing. Also if you put a 9 up unless your like sub 2k rating youll get an overwhelming amount of sign ups instantly. Ive only played dps and mainly solo qued/used my own key and managed to get 624 item lvl while only killing one mythic raid boss pretty much all from mythic plus. The easy strategy is run 7s/8s and reroll your key til you get a good dungeon. (Ara kara, mists, boralas, dawnbreaker) are the easy timed ones that you’ll get good signups for. Then plus two your seven to a 9 and pick a good group(you will have alot of options). Then you just keep timeing the 9 and drop your 10 back down to a 9 rince and repeat. If you brick your 9 go back to step 1. As long as your selective you wont have to do this for long because once your profile shows a few 9s and your score creeps into the 2300s youll get invited to alot of keys

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Because some players want to hit those +10s for portals. The current currency system is flawed.

They really ought to throw away the currency gate keeping and weekly lock outs from currency gains. It’s a horrible feeling for players to do something and get less and less rewarded.

Agreed.

There is also some alternative ways to get gilded crests.

You can do raid H7 H8 and M1 (not that hard) to get 45 gilded crests. That could help a little.

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yup, I forsaw this happen as did many players and now we are right in the middle of it, it is absolutly ludicrous they shipped M+ in this state.

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I’m sorry I didn’t literally spell it out for you, and that it might take a little brain power to imagine the fact that I have listed my own keys. Instead, you would rather act toxic and argue with people on forums, take it elsewhere, no one needs your condescending attitude.

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