Monty Hall was known for either giving you something amazing, or something completely useless, and that term would not have the same social impact as other terms. But there was a popular word in the 70s that applied a very derogatory inference against certain individuals that can only be said in safety on rap albums by a specific demographic. If we labeled the gear as THAT kind of gear, people would really flip out. I’m old, and I hate change, but I’ve learned in the last 50 years, people do not see the world the same way, and sometimes change is necessary 
but I fought change until about 18 months ago.
Not Monty Hall.
Monty Haul.
Ah, the D&D term.
Okay, lets get something straight here. People like you are acting like players got fully decked out in Delve gear right away. Most people I know were able to get a few slots of gear at best. I know many people just kept getting duplicates of the same items.
Second point, people were getting gear from PVP which was 590 gear, which had a few pieces. Then you had crafted slots, along with pieces from raids.
This idea that Delves showered people in all this M0 gear is nonsense.
Its not Blizzard’s fault that players wanted to skip to higher keys either. That is like calling out players that skip right to heroic raids, not bothering with normal raids. Fact is, a lot of players just suck at M+, and the key squish exposed this big time.
That is all there is to it, Delve gear played a very small role here.
A lot of these players trying +7 keys would fail them even in 620 gear.
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lube? I have an inside for cheap (LA prop dept)
All of the people saying “seems fine to me” “wheres the data?!” “go back to reddit!”
are so cringe. like people who would give in to fascism level of cringe. psycho dillusional.
Everyone high and low agrees keys suck right now. And barely anyone is playing.
i feel like its all on purpose… they want to give “Delves” a boost in popularity and this is how they do it.
Pugging is definitely waaaay harder. Everyone who wants to take Keys seriously will have to find statics / guilds… which is unfortunate. I miss being able to pug pretty high
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Hmm, Raiderio is showing almost 3 million keys ran now.
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Not just Delves. WQs, Weeklies, Special Assignments, Delve Dailies, Coffer Keys, Heroics. But all that aside, M+ players rode a high in the front door coming off a Vault Farming season in DF and got smacked with the reality of a reset in a new Season 1. Instead of chasing Season 1 the same way they did in the past, they deviated, assumed it was still soft like DF S3, and got clapped. TWW has one common theme, things are actually challenging and dangerous again, and vault farming ain’t gonna cut it this early in the new expansion’s season.
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Blizzard finally fixed M+, only took them 5 expansions to do it.
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See, just took time. Someone else pointed out it is week 3, so 3M keys run so far sounds like it is beginning to level out. Nice.
correction 5.2 mil as of today
Apparently it was less than that. I was recently corrected that Mythic+ was officially a thing in Legion, even though there was a “difficulty modifier” by the same name in earlier content. Also, Season 3 of DF was allegedly the best version of M+ content since its inception. So it took Legion, BFA, and SL to get the formula right. But now everyone is claiming it is bad again. It is possible it is only bad cause it is S1 in TWW, or do people think it will still suck by S3 when they try to return to vault farming?
M+ does not feel good to a majority of players - Thoughts?
How could you possibly know? Of the millions of people playing this game only a few thousand put notes in forums. That’s down in the 1% range. Add to that, internet forums are magnets for people who have something to complain about.
Now maybe it’s true and maybe it’s not but one thing for sure, the forums are a terrible measure of approval or disapproval.
Almost double. Sounds like week 3 is the leveling point. By next week, I would imagine things will feel more “normal”.
Increase healing, or slow down damage or something.
Everyone says there is a tank shortage, but nah, there seems to be a healer shortage!
I historically have healed, but my god people complain so much that I’d just assume tank these days.
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AMEN to this. The forum is a place of opinions. Sometimes facts are actually presented. Other times it is just one person sharing another persons opinion, even when it comes from outside the forums.
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I think keys can be nice, but eventually you hit a point of dimishing returns on gear, so if you are in for the score or challenge it remains fun, if you are in for the gear, then it feels like too much stress for too little a reward. Personally, I am kinda over it already this season, been feeling way too stress pushing anything above 8s on Prot Pal and have yet to time a 9 even.
Nothing is wrong. The journey is just longer and there’s a difficulty spike from 8 to 9 that will exclude many players. This is not bad design, those who desire the rewards will get good enough to break through, and there is ample content for those who don’t.
I’m running heroics on my healer alt tonight, people can’t even do mechanics in heroics. This is why a lot of people stink at M+. Let’s face it, most of WoW’s player base are gamer dads.
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I’m enjoying the occasional delve runs. I’m glad there’s an alternative to pushing mythics, and the delves cap and i raid on heroic and that’s good enough gear for me.