M+ does not feel good to a majority of players - Thoughts?

[Orwyn-area-52]

I did not! I could see how you would think that though.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Brewa-hyjal

@Prysmatix-ashkandi

People complain about m+ being a loot pinata, delves are even moreso

Blizzard isn’t tuning Mythic raids around delve loot, though. As somebody who just started progging Mythic Ovi’nax, I don’t feel any pressure to do delves.

M+, however, is mandatory, every week, for every progression guild. Because Blizzard tunes the raids on the assumption that everyone is doing it. Therefore, if you do not do it, the raids are overtuned for your ilvl.

If Blizzard would, once and for all, separate M+ gear from the rest of the game, like they do with PvP gear now, then M+ could have whatever it wants, as far as I’m concerned. Because it wouldn’t affect myself, and my friends, anymore.

But for now, we’re required to spend hours every week farming content we hate. To hell with M+.

It seems better/more equal this season.

You’re 4/8 mythic, only wearing 3 pieces of mythic+ gear, and every +9 or +10 ran so far has not been timed yet.

[Jhannae-bronzebeard (Jhannae)]

@Brewa-hyjal

The problem is that M+ for years was just a massive gravy train of welfare loot,

It’s better than Normal Raid and early Heroic Raid Bosses. Would always be happy to gear up from Mythic+ than PuG a Normal Raid. When I am done with M+, it’s time to climb up on Raid.

No, I dont want to commit to Guild Raid sched. I want to play or Raid whenever I want.

Those PuGs Raid group looking for players with description: Would kick non-performing players, that’s where I should group with.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

@Tek-grizzly-hills

there was a season that had no cap from day 1. we could just farm and upgrade all the way without caps it was glorious. i even made 2 fully geared alts that season.

i dont quite remember which season it was but there were return to karazhan dungeons in the rotation.

i wish that mentality came back.

S4 shadowlands maybe. It was a pretty good season although demo/destro locks and survival hunters were doing so much damage comparably

[Jhannae-bronzebeard (Jhannae)]

@Brewa-hyjal

But for now, we’re required to spend hours every week farming content we hate. To hell with M+.

That’s how I felt when Delves came in. I have to do Delves first before I could become desirable for M+. But Delves is FUN to me. Not a chore. I am not forced to it. I love to do it.

I am more of a M+ player. And I would push myself to Raid after M+ progression… not becoz I am forced to… but becoz I love to play them. It would be fun for me.

Delves, Mythic+ and Raid… I would be having a blast.

Yup, I dont care about the guild if they would desire me. I play what I like. Guild would not dictate me. To hell with their Raid slots. I will PuG my way up.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Wish Blizzard can post their targeted completion rates so we can judge if they’ve achieved it or not.

M Ansurek at 4 kills still atm. Several more nerfs to come maybe? Or the raid buff is enough (best case scenario.)

[Flesha-tichondrius]

This M+ season is garbage.

Majority of players arent even having fun doing them for the various reasons the endless threads are mentioning.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

People are unable to comprehend relative tuning even if it remained as easy as s3/s4 because they came back to wow on the tail end of that and got carried by vault farmers.

[Critianbale-stormrage]

your gear carried you. I am just fine with the difficulty, it pushes me to get better. Heaven forbid we have walls we have to climb form time to time to be better at something.

[Shadybolt-thrall]

M+ is fine.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Wish Blizzard can post their targeted completion rates so we can judge if they’ve achieved it or not.

M Ansurek at 4 kills still atm. Several more nerfs to come maybe? Or the raid buff is enough (best case scenario.)

The raid buff is so that you can do it with a non-optimal comp.

The raid buff is there to redress Blizzard’s abyssmal class imbalance.

Not to make the raid easier.

[Ojoverde-eldrethalas (Ojoverde)]

worse m+ season since the start of m+ in legion. There is no class balance, no invites even to low keys, no invite for you if you arent part of the meta. If you trye to form your group as a dps none will sign for it. waste of time. Not to mention that even if you get the gear you cant upgrade it because the lack of crest.

[Shadybolt-thrall]

@Brewa-hyjal

M+, however, is mandatory, every week, for every progression guild.

Yet World First didn’t have any M+ gear that were of a higher quality than Mythic raids. It is a lie that it is a requirement, it just makes it easier and faster. But it ain’t a requirement. Just quit lying.

@Brewa-hyjal

If Blizzard would, once and for all, separate M+ gear from the rest of the game, like they do with PvP gear now […]

PvE =/= PvP

No matter however much you want to believe that PvE and PvE are two different things.

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You hate M+ so much that you have warped your entire sense of logic and reasoning in order to hate it. A wild idea would be to stop and maybe you’d be happier with the state of the game.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

To what extent should Blizzard cater to non-optimal comps? Given so many raid buffs in the game.

Class stacking is absurd though.

[Nettão-stormrage]

-15s for every death is the worst affix i ever saw, i prefer Sanguine, Explosive and all other affixes to come back because i could carry the bad players by dealing with those affixes, now? It’s impossible to carry ppl when they keep losing -15s every time lol

Almost every key i do we lose 3min of death because of this horrible affix and there’s NOTHING i can do about it, it’s not like i can multibox and control their keyboard and mouse to avoid mechanics lmao

[Dirus-bleeding-hollow]

@Ojoverde-eldrethalas

worse m+ season since the start of m+ in legion. There is no class balance, no invites even to low keys, no invite for you if you arent part of the meta. If you trye to form your group as a dps none will sign for it. waste of time. Not to mention that even if you get the gear you cant upgrade it because the lack of crest.

Even as a tank trying to get people to sign up to your key is hard. The difficulty curve in M+ is crazy now and the made gear and crests harder to get… and they did that with horrible tank and healer balance. Based on their posted “balance changes” coming they are going to make everything harder.

@Shadybolt-thrall

Yet World First didn’t have any M+ gear that were of a higher quality than Mythic raids. It is a lie that it is a requirement, it just makes it easier and faster. But it ain’t a requirement. Just quit lying.

You are comparing world first raiders which are basically .0001% of the population to everyone else…

Its like saying its easy to dunk for players in the NBA so clearly 6th graders should just get gud.

[Happymushu-area-52]

Finds Reddit thread with not that many upvotes.

“Majority of players.”

Projectors do be projecting though.

[Näglfär-tichondrius (Näglfär)]

Remove timers, stop adding annoying dungeons to the pool. Allow matchmaking for M0, make loot worth all the hassle.

[Cheekz-moon-guard]

@Orwyn-area-52

How do we improve it? What is wrong? How do you feel?

If you don’t like doing the content, you do other content. For myself at least, I don’t really care if my BiS trinkets are from M+.

I don’t like it this season. I prefer raiding, delves, and PvP. That’s 3/4 content brackets, not to mention open world.

I do agree M+ is extraordinarily pug unfriendly this season in particular, though, and I really don’t know how they’d fix it without compromising the difficulty spike. It’s a precarious place. Either M+ is hard enough to make it genuinely stand on it’s own as a progression pillar you can dedicate yourself to, or you make it more accessible and the other pillars are ignored as it was in Dragonflight.

All in all, I don’t mind the difficulty pushing filthy, disgusting, vile, reprehensible casuals such as myself away from it. There’s plenty of other stuff to do.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

@Ojoverde-eldrethalas

worse m+ season since the start of m+ in legion. There is no class balance, no invites even to low keys, no invite for you if you arent part of the meta. If you trye to form your group as a dps none will sign for it. waste of time. Not to mention that even if you get the gear you cant upgrade it because the lack of crest.

It really is the worse season of all time. They should take a look at this season as a list of things not to do. I also don’t know why they put so much pressure on tanks and healers. If anything they should add in more DPS checks. And if they don’t want people running 4 DPS they should’ve just made it where you have to run 1 tank, 1 heal, and 3 DPS