It is a slippery slope at this point A vote by a majority would lessen the possibility of the majority of players trying to brick a M+. Sometimes the circumstances warrant a disband for a variety of reasons.
When it is a single person leaving it is hard to say why but BlizZard is taking a stance on this issue now so there are solutions being offered.
Correct.
I havenât stated that my opinion is anything but an opinion insofar as the necessity of the feature goes.
Stating that the party system for unqueued content would need modification isnât an opinion, itâs a fact. Iâve made no claim as to how easy or difficult that would be. Iâm not sure what youâre not getting.
Until it doesnât, if I initiate a group vote to disband and it fails, I will either a) leave anyway or b) make the rest of the run difficult and unenjoyable, if not impossible. I think the theory of a group vote is nice but in practice I donât think it would be effective.
It would be cool to be able to backfill invite players into a m+ though, Iâve had people leave a group early or kicked someone for throwing and had to fourman dungeons a handful of times in DF.
Also donât forget, in a m+ youâre there at the whim of the group lead, who can decide on their own to disband a group without a vote at all.
I think the solution for these kinds of issues is to network when you run dungeons, make friends and run with static groups of people you know.
Do you realize how much io carries are? Weâre talking millions of gold for all dungeons and why would carries go into +3 - +6 range? In addition, youâre a shammy, you have a dispel unlike any other class, quickest cooldown. Plus you have fantastic toolkit to hold up the group for their mistakes if spec into resto for m+.
Your rant tells me youâre not good at the game, period, and blame everyone elseâŠoh wait, you are blamed, lol.
what a loaded statement.
From the vague text they wrote today; it would just seem like its people INTENTIONALLY leaving keys just to harm people. I dont think good players on alts who leave trash groups who die 30 times on the first few trssh packs or more than 1 player dying to the same mechanics over and over again counts.
I have all 13 classes, 1 toon for every spec in the game. I once had a season where I had 32 toons get a vault from doing a single M+ run that week. I donât just play Shaman. I play classes like Disc Priest where I donât even have an interupt
It is not perfect by any means as we all know vote kick isnât perfect either. But it is a tool to put in front of group of players versus just appealing to BlizZard GMS and just submitting tickets when BlizZard GMs are going to toss their hands in the air and say their hands are tied on this issue.
I can only assume thatâs what he wants.
The ability to hold 4 other players hostage in a dungeon where stuff is obviously going pear-shaped.
Ok, letâs see:
initial suggestion brought up here:
Projection/lying here:
Opinion, therefore not an explanation
Again, opinion, not an explanation.
Again, stating your opinion is not an explanation
So, is mostly just an opinion, does add some details, but is still incredibly light on details of why or how that would work, so if this is your explanation, itâs sub-par by the standards of a 4th grade essay.
Then we have 2 posts of Opinion, and a red herring.
Next up is an only semi-relevant anecdote.
Then we have you taking a shot in the dark and missing.
Then all thatâs after that is a mix of stating your opinion as fact, with some random red herrings thrown in.
So to answer your original claim: No, you have not provided any satisfactory explanation as to why your system is a good idea.
I canât believe I just agreed with you on something. Now I have to go outside to see if pigs are flying and if hell has frozen over.
And when given an scenario for him to explain how his great idea is so great or how it works, he willingly chooses to not respondâŠsuspicious
so youâre saying thats not toxic behavior?
shows where your standards lay
The other part of the problem is that doing a benefits analysis requires both a full understanding of exactly how the system would work, and what we have now.
I fully suspect that he has neither.
In a way, we do have a vote to disband in a way of communicating. I think if they do add that feature it may make it more common and even considered mannered to use even though some may not honor the result.
Theyâre looking for signs of intentional griefing or sabotage from what Iâve heard. Stuff like leaving too quickly or things that essentially look to ruin keys. The ones most at risk are tanks who bail after one wipe or healers who bail after one wipe as then itâs less likely the group will time their key and thus itâs likely to be bricked.
Yeah, I did but was disappointed when I found OP deleted most of their posts.
it shows people complaining about the bans are same ones who are leaving 5 min into key when they stand in stupid.
The insight is leaving keys excessively often to be painfully obvious youre only doing it to screw others overâŠ
Leaving as usual if it goes bad is not really what they are talking about.
Now if youre joining ten groups just to leave to brick their keys all day for days. That is whos getting bans.
No, it isnât toxic behavior.
Why are people so stuck on this idea that you should be âLEARNINGâ in keys?
you learn in zeroes. you get better in lower key levels without affixes or the anti-death timer.
You dont sidestep keys 1-5 and head straight into 7s and up and learn thereâŠand worse, in a pug.
That kind of behavior is toxic in itself. Learn in lower keys, learn in zeroes and better yet, âlearnâ in your guild. You can pug when you know how to do the place.
People leaving keys that still have time left on them b/c the team is playing like a meme generator definitely DO NOT deserve to get a suspension. Know your class, know the dungeon, then we can talk.
I know it wonât happen and likely will never happen but I do wish Blizzard had a âwall of shameâ where they post the list of banned players in ban waves along with the criteria so we, the community, see who it was and how egregious was their offense(s).
So for example this could be â[name]-[realm]: X abandons, Y intentional wipes, Z leaves within 5 minutesââŠor whatever the query that was used that pulled the data.
This would give context so the riff raff here and naysayers alike would see the full picture and the only bit worth arguing about is whether the criteria is too tough or loose.
Key leaver meta was never good and rife with toxicity. Good to see Blizz finally cranking down on bad faith leavers. Also feels good to be vindicated after years of mouth breathers proclaiming âackhually others are bad, thatâs why I leave hAhAâ.
Next step is institutionalizing a surrender option and being done with this charade.