Honestly ive been vibing with Delves. I meet my goals so im no longer pugging - I’m helping friends and running with them.
But solo gearing alts there’s very little reason for me to pug M+ when delves exist.
As much as I tease Brann him and I are homies
In M+? Yeh well sucks to be the people who kicked you. Once a key is started all 5 players in the group have a chance of getting gear and getting an M+ rating simply by being in the dungeon whether they were in the group when it finished or not.
If players are going to kick you last minute thinking they have a higher chance of getting gear, they are only hurting themselves.
Tier level Gus
Chase doggie through a maze in search of treats like the anniversary event
If you’re leaving hundreds of groups it’s time to first decide if group content is even something you enjoy and went to do.
Second, start vetting your groups better. Will some groups fail out of nowhere sure. But maybe instead of saying yes to the first invite take a look at the rest of the group, are their gear and talents set up reasonable? Are they enchanted and gemmed (if content is high enough to warrant it.)
Third, and this may be hard take a look in the mirror, are you doing something in a lot of these keys to cause them to fail and then raging and quitting.
This is a big one here, Blizzard are banning people for leaving, but are they leaving for the wrong reasons? Or are they leaving because someone else in the party is that guy who should never have been there to begin with.
Sad though that some DPS get invited and would rather take a risk given how hard it is for DPS to get into keys in the first place.
Yeh it’s vague, I didn’t regularly leave when I did M+ but I didn’t go super high either. But even at lower keys I would see people leave early for ridiculous reasons, when the key could still be timed.
If they’re being honest in their reasoning then they are NOT banning people who give it a good effort and just eventually can’t take it anymore. After 10 wipes on the same boss it clearly isn’t going to get done.
And even leaving for no reason occasionally seems fine, as they’ve stated they understand things happen.
If I’m right and they’re being open then they’re banning people who leave after the first or second trash pack constantly. Now the argument can be made that even that early you can tell the group is going to fail because of low output, missed kicks, poor routing etc but I think you’re expected to try a bit more
I agree but that is why giving players more tools would empower the group far more this way.
That is a fair counter point. Thank you.
I don’t think the ‘toxic elitists’ will suffer the most from this, but players who are unskilled or playing a poor game that day.
Blizzard said something reasonable, but the community is having a knee jerk reaction and interpreting it as ‘reporting this player for gameplay sabotage during a M+ run now leads to actionable offense’
And we all know how your account can get into some trouble because of people abusing mass report.
What stops an unaware group from reporting you, the fury warrior DPS, for dying when you have anima injection and need to be dispelled? A lot of the players who complain about leavers are in the low brackets 4-9 where they’re failing dungeons mostly due to experience/knowledge gaps.
So now when a healer is hitting 1.8M HPS during a pull because no one is using proper defensives, avoiding mechanics or interrupting, people who are too inexperienced to know better can just report the healer for gameplay sabotage–again–because they are interpreting the news that ‘report for gameplay sabotage == actionable offense’
Everyone joining ANY LFG M+ group after this:
Agreed a surrender/disband group vote options for PVE and PVP is around the corner at this rate IMO.
It’s a game. If you need to be able to produce a Master’s thesis on the topic to play it then maybe it’s a bit too advanced to BE a game? Just my knee jerk reaction. Carry on.
Probably you guys abusing an exploit more than likely
They are suspensions, not bans. Bans might come with people not learning from their behaviour, though.
I’d be surprised if it were implemented for M+. If it is, it’ll require some degree of change to the party system.
I’m ready for my ban. I’ve left maybe 1% of my groups overall. Definitely puts me in the benchmark for M+ dirtbag.
Never mind all the groups I’ve helped pushed through to completion despite the struggle. Never mind how stressed I am. Never mind the number of times I’ve prairie dogged for a solid 30 minutes straight.
Send it my way Bliss. I’m ready to take a break.
I don’t do M+ so this doesn’t impact me, but initiating ban waves without being specific with your players about exactly how and why the ban is triggered is really really dumb. Unless they are going to spell it out in detail in the TOS or something they really need to communicate here. And we all know how well Blizz communicates…
The old saying proves more and more true as time goes on. You deserve what you tolerate.
Everyone pays when kicking bads isn’t normalized.
Banning people for leaving groups with toxic and people with no clue is lame and should never be done this is not in the ToS I signed anywhere undo the bans. Or maybe someone in the courts can figure this out for you.
These people were clearly not the one’s suspended. Did you even read the blue post?
the people who join a group then leave as soon as the key is dropped in, repeatedly, for hours at a time, are not elitists.