Damn, the Paladin class its so great, the seal dancing, the seal options and effects and the seal of command, extra damage if you judge on stun? change to hit extra with BIG holy dmg? SO HOT
Hated when they changed it to seal of blood thanks to the horde getting paladins, butive been waiting YEARS to have the REAL SEAL OF COMMAND BACK literally in tears using this seal
Awesome when you get SoC procs back to back.
0/20/31 + 4 piece pvp + engy control paladin is a great build. Lots of opportunities to get that stun damage in.
It is super sweet, for a time.
Get to around level 50ish, and all that auto-attacking starts to grind my gears.
But we’ll see.
Which happens about as often as it rains in-game. Makes it more amazing when it does however.
Stun damage? You’re using max rank SoC? By the gods, do you have Druid bots to Innervate or something? OOM in a minute or less.
Why don’t you post this in the Classic forum thread?
I’ve always played spell damage oriented paladin. Love the extra mana for utility and all that beautiful armor avoiding damage.
Where do you get spell damage plate?! And how long does it take to collect such gear? Madness!
Wait, does that mean you go all in on Intellect and Stamina? Is that… actually viable?! I am saying this not so much because I’m incredulous, as I really want to know if there is a more viable option than going the Warrior route.
Edit: And by viable I don’t mean that nonsense about raiding or whatever. Just meant effective for killing mobs and perhaps players without dying.
RNG is bad for dps thats what made seal of command bad, its only good for pvp.
You’re talking about the wrong era, there was no spell power gear for pally in vanilla/classic; it wont come until tbc. The best way to get it is through enchanting.
If I remember correctly, wasn’t it dubbed seal of casino due to it’s at time’s doing no damage.
Ret and SoComm damage are highly rng or crit dependent. Ret essentially activates at about 20% crit. Ret is rather useless with low crit, say 15% or under.
Ret and SoComm need a lot of crit to be effective. Crit is was hard to get for ret paladins in vanilla wow. The best I could do was about 23% in mostly pvp gear.
Crit did not affect the proc chance of SoComm. SoC could crit, and crit was important for vengeance stacks.
And if I remember correctly, Haste would increase the number of procs you could get in 1 minute, as the proc chance was calculated off base weapon speed.
It was even better if you had a weapon with a big extra damage proc such as the fiery polearm from ZG (can’t recall it’s name) or Blackhand’s Blade from UBRS.
Crit is huge for ret. I wasn’t talking about proc chance for SoComm. Ret is a bursty dps spec. Crit affects the amount of burst damage ret can put out. Haste may have the opposite of the desired effect. For the vanilla wow paladin, slower 2h weapons are better because the slower weapon does more damage. In vanilla, 2h weapons were not homogenized like they are now.
First I will admit, the post I initially responded to read to me like you were stating crit affected the chance to proc.
I believe we are both in agreement that Crit was extremely important to ret DPS, and slower weapons with high base damage are best. With the goal being a 3.6 swing speed at the fastest, 3.8 being the preference.
However, as the Proc chance is calculated from the base weapon speed, using haste to increase the number of attacks you can perform does not lower the chance each of those attacks will trigger a SoC proc.
Now, as far as if haste is worth searching down for a slot, that’s a different discussion altogether and I don’t want to argue Crit vs Haste. I feel Crit is more important as keeping Vengeance stacks is more important than faster attacks.
Plate of the shaman king, Earthslag shoulders from dungeons.
But … you didn’t really miss…
JUDGEMENT ?!?!?!?!
AVENGERS ?!?!?!
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this is completly and 100% false. We had lots of spell power gear on plate as well as non plate items. I’m going to be playing spelladin ret as well as other ret gameplay at 60 so if your interested in seeing high level ret pvp/pve feel free to follow my stream https://www.twitch.tv/judgejudyx
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Looks like someone is touched in the head…
This is incorrect, Seal of Command isn’t a flat proc chance, it is proc per minute chance. PPM meant that it would only have the chance to proc so much per minute and the slower, heavy hitting weapons gave you the best burst potential.
Think it was weapon speed of 2.50 and slower to get the most out of SoC.
Haste? Where you going to get Haste in Classic? Also, Vengeance stacks?
Perhaps I missed something and you’re talking about another expansion.
Plate of the Shaman King is Mail, I don’t remember Earthslag Shoulders having anything related to magic.
Judgement comes from BWL and Avengers from Ahn’Qiraj… How are you supposed to use that while leveling or without healing your way into raids?
Edit: Okay, I was wrong about the two pieces of armor. Both are plate and have increased spell capabilities. Don’t think that changes much though… Going from 260 damage Judgements to 290-310 damage Judgements doesn’t seem to add much. I shall await being proven wrong of course.
No trying to do that at all, just informing on other routes. I wasn’t basing it on leveling, hence why i said about Judgment and Avenger tier sets.
Leveling. Across the board there isnt much spell damage gear for low levels. Really the gear only starts to appear late 40s.
https://classic.wowhead.com/gear-planner/paladin/human/AjwAAT5_Ay1wBTNwCjQgSwNeA18MLjANMoIOLjgPLWcQUBg
Is a good start on spell damage gear before later tier releases. As stated above in this thread, there is little spell damage plate in the game. There is some very nice mail spell damage gear and of course leather and cloth as well. If you start with the gear linked above and add other plate pieces, you can keep a high armor value while weaving in spell damage.
I don’t want to go into an argument over if straight direct damage is better or if spell damage is better, you all can have at that. Simply, if you want to play a more support oriented retribution build, spell damage ret is a way to go.
Support is healing. Who rolls ret pally and want to be subparand support? Prot and holy spec is for that.