This zone is so thrilling as Alliance. There are several Horde patrols on and off that paths that will flag you if they attack you. I got flagged twice while knocking out some quests there. Luckily no level 60 Horde ganked me!
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“Slay them all!”
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If an horde player camp there for the specific reason to kill unware adventurers ; would it be considered grief ?
That’s a tough call. I feel like it shouldn’t be, since situational awareness can prevent it in the first place. Easy to stick raid markers on them so they don’t blend in.
I probably won’t kill them on HC. 
Thought these were PvE servers… My PvP soul keeps me far from the aggro range of guards, so good to know.
Dont see how that would be a grief… seems like an ooopseee by Blizzard but nothing more.
Nope.
except for the orc ladies dressed for the climate
mmmm hot pants
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it’s really not hard to avoid them unless you are under-leveled 
Judging you.
You looked.
I know you did.
And you liked it.
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X for doubt.
no its totally within the rules of engagement, kill away
Yes, but Blizzard would ultimately have to be convinced that was their goal rather than just being opportunistic about finding flagged people.
If you’re flagged, you’re fair game.
If they believed that they’d have left that Alliance lone diplomat quest alone.
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They removed a lot of stuff that flagged you.
Killing someone who is PvP flagged is NEVER griefing.
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good thing hardcore is about knowledge of the game, class abilities/limitations, and overall mastery of the game.
If its a person’s first time playing classic, I could see how the zone could be a heart attack.
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So Blizzard only refers to griefing in their in-game code of conduct. It’s broadly described as detracting from other player’s enjoyment. From that standpoint sure PvP happened, and I’ve never cared to listen to anyone’s complaints about “unfair PvP”. It’s player vs player, no skill, class balance, level, gear, etc is ever taken into account.
However, the HC agreement states players are to dissuade from negative behavior, it doesn’t use the term griefing at all. You agree to act in a positive manner, and not engage in harassment. It also states that if you agree willfully and deliberately causing player death outside of consenual PvP or disrupting the play environment you will find yourself subject to disciplinary action.
So if we are using the terms griefing and negative behavior interchangeable then the logic still ultimately holds. At the end of the day griefing is a very subjective behavior. You can pull too many mobs, reset them, and they can reset onto another player due to social aggro, but that’s not griefing because that wasn’t your goal. However, if you pull mobs on top of player and do something like FD or vanish you are griefing them and can be actioned for it. Both scenarios resulted in the exact same outcome, but only one will result in being actioned…especially if you repeat the behavior and establish the pattern for Blizzard to confirm.
To prove someone is griefing, or otherwise being negative as the HC agreement states, you have to prove that was their intent. It’s rather quite short sighted to think that because “it’s PvP” it can’t be griefing because griefing is a social construct while PvP is a technical gameplay concept. They are apples and oranges to try to compare against, and ultimately if someone spends their days in HC in a spot that has been identified by the community as an easy place to get accidentally flagged and just spends their time jumping people there I am pretty confident Blizzard will action them for it, and hopefully provide a fix at some point as well.
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There has never, ever been anyone disciplined for killing someone who was flagged.
Any account action was related to rule breaking that was adjacent to the killing.