GoT is good until like end of season 5 then they take over the books and it gets quite dumb
RoP was so damn boring. more action in fellowship of the ring than the entire 8 hrs of season 1
âŚâŚ As someone reading the silmarilion. No there are no black people in Lotr. The haradim are not black, they are more middle eastern. They are âswarthyâ and people are so lazy now, they donât even bother updating and actually listing ACTUAL definitions from time periods. Swarthy now means something different than it did then. It actually meant âdark skinnedâ from the sun, or olive complexion. It is not âblackâ in the sense. Rop was honestly meh after I saw the last episode but it was not cause of the black elf. 
House of the Dragon is significantly better than Rings of Power in both quality and writing.
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They couldâve represented some other race. Black people are overrepresented in media (more than any other race) but they still re-wrote characters to be black.
They couldâve re-written them to be east or south asian, but they went with black. When they default to black, thatâs because of wokeness, not inclusivity.
I didnt like much of Game of Thrones, so im not watching house of dragons
And Rings of Power, JESUS CHRIST WHAT THEY DID WITH IT? So terrible and badly written.
How an elf, that have in years living in that tower more than that woman male and HER commands resistance against orcs? A HUMAN with more experience that AN ELF LMAO
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I watch both
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can you elaborate on this? what did Danuser do to wow lore? Why is Rings of Power garbage?
bro, where else do you think dark skin came from? Melanin is a substance in your body that produces hair, eye and skin pigmentation. The more melanin you produce, the darker your eyes, hair and skin will be. The amount of melanin in your body depends on a few different factors, including genetics and how much sun exposure your ancestral population had.
More sun exposure = darker skin. That in itself shows that black people existed in Tolkienâs works. Itâs not wokeness, itâs actual evolutionary biology and natural diversity.
The Haradrim were the darker skinned inhabitants in Tolkienâs works. They were a mix of things, none of which were Elves.
The usual suspects, which include those pandering and those themselves racist, want to portray criticism of Rings of Power as racism exclusive to its indulgence in the absurd, warped practice of âdiversityâ casting that has come to dominate American entertainment. But the producers of Rings of Powers have gone to great lengths to tout and explain their re-imagining of Tolkienâs works, and have effectively created a fan-fiction. They could have as easily and more organically worked âdiverseâ characters into their story, but they didnât do that.
And far more criticism of Rings of Power is about its poor writing, story, dialogue and acting. But even that criticism is often attacked as thinly-veiled racism. Itâs a convenient shield for its creators and actors, and a convenient bludgeon in our sociopolitical narratives.
The âdiverseâ (previously known as âstandardâ) casting in House of the Dragon is a master class by contrast, as are its story, writing, dialogue, and acting. The diversity of its black characters is found in their natures and personalities. They are not stand-ins for modern sociopolitical narratives about race, much less used to beat the audience over the head. When I watch them I donât find the show more appealing, or think âHey, someone who looks like me!â I just see characters who in our world would be black.
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If u look up the actual word âswarthyâ and its history which is directly what Tolkien used for southern gondorâs people or haradrim. Many writers and poets in the 19th century used that word. All of whom were white. Walt Whitman was of these men. Swarthy or âdark skinâ just means what tan means now.
Edit : Walt Whitmanâs words :â Behold this Swarthy face.â He used it to describe himself. He was dutch.
It comes from Old English/Saxton/Germanic, Swart, which literally translates into âBlackâ
I wish⌠people would actually research the âoriginsâ words. Swart means black, dark and closely related word âdirtâ. You have to actually look up how the word is used and context. Words evolve with generations. Cigarettes have different meanings and words in different cultures. ( if you know you know.)
You missed the rest of the poem⌠âMy brown handsâ Even though What Whitman was poetically talking about how his hands had turned a dark shade of brown when he was working in the fields. Swarthy means brown/black.
He was not calling attention to his whiteness or his Dutchness. But that his skin had become brown (like it does, when you work all day outside in the sun)
You are narrowly missing the point. Tolkienâs description of Swarthy does equal black. Not everyone in Tolkienâs works were meant to be white.
He used that to describe himselfâŚ. Which is what Iâm eluding to. He was not swarthy nor brown. Edit: Nice try tho.
Do you not understand what Iâm saying? White people used swarthy and swart in the 19th century to describe people would work in the sun or of olive complexion. So by that logic ergo Tolkien saying â Swarthyâ in lotr does not inherently imply that they were âblackâ or of African descent. The Haradrimâs culture and clothing seem more middle eastern in general.
Do you not understand that thatâs exaclty how people evolved to be black? By the sun? Swarthy = black regardless of if itâs black skinned or tanned?
Brown is brown. They were brown-skinned. They were not just white with a tan.
Brown skin does not mean people of african descent. If anything that proves it does not mean what we think it means. Iâm just trying to get to the truth and people like you and woke people make it so hard. I just want the truth.
There is no Africa in Middle Earth. Itâs black people evolved where there was the most sun in this world. If this fictional world is round then it would have been around the equator, or where it was the sunniest and hottest. Or a people who spent the majority of time outdoors, in the sun, like elves and humans and primitive hobbits.
Thereâs not a special mineral in Africa making people from there black, people all around the world have various shades of dark skin relating to their evolution near the equator.
Do you seriously think âblacknessâ is exclusive to Africa?
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That is what Iâm saying. Yes.
Did you play shadowlands?
Iâd need a separate wall of text to explain how much that guy has ruined the lore of this game.
Galadriel was never a warrior princess.
Harfoots never existed. Also, the writing and dialogue they produce with these Harfoots⌠they are a completely evil race of halflings.
Numenor and Numenorians were not 5 foot 9 weaklings. They were the first race of men, extremely strong warriors and stood well over 7ft tall.
There is not a chance Galadriel in the books would have been able to stand toe to toe with 1 Numenorian, let alone 5 like she does in this show.
Celebrimbor did not die, he was Galadriels husband (but the showrunners are doing this to give Guy-lad-riel her agency and a what if moment with Sauron oops I meant Halbrand). Theyâll try and resurrect him in a shock moment later, but the damage is done to the timeline and the literature.
Galadriel in the books was not this mary-sue monstrosity.
The manner in which the Mordor volcano was activated. Actually had me LOL-ing.
And even more, every core character survives a pyroclastic flow to the face
A leaf wakes up a Balrog.
Mithril in this show, was never written to do the things it apparently can now do.
Elrond giving his word to Durin only to immediately break the promise he made. More and more atrocious writing and dialogue.
Oh and perhaps the most egregious? The existence of allegory. Tolkien was firmly against it. His works were of middle earth and a created mythos for England, he utterly loathed allegory and wanted NOTHING from our world injected into it.
What do these showrunners do?
âThEsE ElVeS aRe TaKin YeR JeRbS!â
The show is so full of allegory that Tolkien is turning in his grave. Modern media and âwritersâ simply cannot help themselves.
It is utterly trash and a disgrace on every level.
But, youâd know that if you read the books.
There is so much more that I could write about, providing more examples of stuff theyâve butchered, but this post is long enough already.