Loot trading will create exclusivity

The loot trading system may work fine in Modern WoW but it will not work out in Classic WoW because the games are that much different.

Loot trading in Classic will create an toxic atmosphere of exclusivity.

How will this take place? Just as in TBC when they added arena to the system, players will start to segregate them selves into even more tightly organized cliques to avoid abuse that’s made possible by the loot trade system.

How does that work?

It’s been explained numerous times by numerous players that the modern system can easily be manipulated to hand loot over to any one in a clique that they desire. This gives any one player in a clique incredible power to progress in gear due to their co-conspirators ability to garner loot for them. In classic this is an extremely disruptive thing because the duration that you can exchange loot is too long and that the transaction is not public, meaning it can be hidden easily.

Proponents of the system claim it will help because then when some one mis-clicks loot distribution as master looter or if some one accidentally loots something then they can trade it to the party that should have gotten it.

I played Classic originally from when it came out to the day it closed on dec 5th 2006, and I cannot think of a single time when I was cheated out of loot because some one failed at master looter or accidentally looted an item.

I do believe that the whole group of people behind this are ignorant of how rare it actually was for loot to go to the wrong place.

They claim this will help minimize the work load on GM’s, but this is a moot point because we all know there are so few GM’s left in the modern game now that I would no be surprised if 98% of the “blizzard” responses are from botts.

Regardless of the GM situation, it is possible for the loot trade system to work out if the time to trade is limited to 1 minute, and that trade of loot transaction is some how displayed in a public way in chat with no way to filter that transaction; this way all know if loot changed hands. This transaction should also be in the form of a whisper for all party members involved in the dungeon or raid, so that if loot does change hands then even if the criminals who take part leave the party or raid; they will be found out.

Why is that important? Because this way the time to trade is narrow, and all involved parties can see that loot changed hands. This minimizes shady dealings and loot for gold racketeering that will unavoidably take place.

Something must be done to keep people honest IF GM’s are not going to be utilized in this classical way.

It’s my opinion that any loot change of hands after an error in distribution should be at the hand of a real human GM, but that system may never come back… I can only hope that it does.

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Players have been declining invites due to class, weapons and gear since the game was born. They’ve always had ways to funnel gear to certain people.

For example, Back in vanilla as a warrior if i wanted corpsemaker i wouldn’t invite anyone who could use it so when it dropped i would have 100% chance of receiving it.

Long story short your post is stupid.

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Right, so let’s just keep it the way it was.

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Yasss queen!

UH… Dairy queen?

YASSSSSS DAIRY QUEEN!

Loot trading obviously has no place in Vanilla. It’s a pretty transparent move to cut staffing costs.

My favorite bit was Ion implying that it somehow will fight against ninja looting when in reality it does the complete opposite.

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Yup, you nailed it. Worse you got fanboys that think Activision can do no wrong… Meanwhile they often QQ about the state of BFA yet want to let this company inject “NEW” mechanisms into the game???

I say no way!

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I can sort of see why Blizzard added loot trading but like your post explains, and most players have complained about, it is not healthy for the community of Classic and really should not be in Classic or even retail.

The problem with Blizzard is I don’t believe they know what makes a good game anymore, even if they think they do, they truly don’t. This is why with each expansion (after TBC), Blizzard has become more out of touch with their community thus, World of Warcraft has become worse and worse. Seeing the current backlash from not just Blizzards audience but almost every gaming company’s audience, Blizzard should at least feel pressured to making Classic as good as it was back when it originally was live. World of Warcraft; Classic, is Blizzards last chance to remain on the top of the gaming industry. This goes for all companies that create video games, the lack of interest in a healthy community is getting sickening and newer producers are going to steal away audiences.

Blizzard’s explanation of adding loot trading, is to lessen the amount of tickets received about loot being distributed to the wrong players. This is not a good enough reason and it is clearly that of a greedy aspect the company currently holds. They only want to cut costs and hire less GMs to manage the realms. If they actually cared about their game like they did back in 2004-2008, they wouldn’t be cutting costs at the expense of the community. The old Blizzard didn’t but clearly a certain merger that happened between now and then has changed the companies outlook on what makes a good game and the outlook is destroying the company.

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As Described by Developers.

Whenever an item was received by accident, or inappropriately, the two consenting players would message Customer support and enable them to transfer the item to the original intended recipient.

Loot trading avoids this dilemma of having to contact Blizzard.

Any abuse of the system is in the players hands.
But let it be known that you’ll permanently know who did that to you, and you only need to broadcast it to general chat for their names to be tarnished.

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Blizzard can do what they want. I will take whatever action best promotes me and my friends. If rigging loot via loot trading is what is necessary, I’ll do it, just as I did when it was first introduced.

You know what simple thing would prevent me and my friends from abusing this?

“Cheater has traded [Truestriker Shoulders] to Williams” - just as was suggested in this thread and has been suggested tons of times before.

A simple chat message triggered only by items that are flagged as tradeable.

Done. But you know what’s even easier? I know this is hard to believe. It’s even easier than implementing loot trading. It goes like this:

No loot trading, and no GM loot support!

We’ve been doing it like this for many years on private servers, and it has been just fine.

Someone needs to really bite the bullet and start unofficial “official” classic forums so we can maintain things like server blacklists, since doing so on the official forums would result in deleted posts or bans.

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Williams Jones, Blizzard is Blizzard; times change and companies evolve.

Loot trading has its advantages, but its advantages don’t come close to its negatives unfortunately.

-Sinclaire -Torch-

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That would work if things still work like you are remembering, but now days things are very different politically and an awful lot of people have become authoritarians.

Because of this and political correctness and the proposed “Auto squelch” feature in chat; you’re gonna get silenced before you can even raise a complaint.

Worse, if you actually “shame” these people in the forum or in chat you will be banned for certain by Blizzard for harassment.

Unfortunately my friend your ideas are all good and dandy but one system is interlinked with others and its the overall package that delivers the toxic atmosphere. This loot trade system is only one component of the damage that Activision desires to deliver to Classic WoW as some sort of “Activision knows best” stance.

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This forum isn’t your personal diary for conspiracy theories.

How many people are silenced daily with the system in place on BfA? How many people are needed to report a player in order for them to be silenced? Why isn’t Asmongold permanently silenced by the community?

Stop fear mongering.

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at this point i’ve accepted that we’re not going to get rid of loot trading.

but i do intend to maintain a blacklist of people who abuse the dang thing.

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You post 6X more than I do; so I assume now you consider this your own personal diary and I am infiltrating it?

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197 x 6 = 1,182.

Oh look, another lie!

Sorry I did not bother to do the math last time; 3.77 to 1, you still post way way way more than normal people or even me.

Regardless I did not go out of my way to deceive you or lie about anything. Some super quick eyeball scanning of the situation would show you 700 to 100 is roughly 7 to 1, and throw in the 96 that for whatever reason I glossed over in haste brings it down a bit, but the 50 on your end brings it all back up. Mah bad, grow up and realize you post way too much. You’re always negative, toxic and so far I cant find anything you have actually contributed to this forum other than negativity and hostility to any one you disagree with.

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You’re getting a little personal there, little guy. If you want to insult a post count of 744, you better realize that a lot of your no-change buddies have higher post counts than me. I’ve also contributed plenty, but as is typical of no-changers, you only seek conflict and will not like or acknowledge posts I make that you agree with.

Nothing personal actually, you just need to dial it back 40%, so far everything you post is either berating other people whom have nothing to do with me, and you bring that junk into a post to debate your point with me…

You need to do battle on your own merit and your own logic and your own reason… I don’t care what other’s are saying, I am not debating them or using them as backup, you’re using their posts as some sort of ammunition; its not working.

I don’t mind having a debate, I’m sure you’re a decent person in real life, but on the forum you act like a total jerk and it’s not cool at all…

Want to have debate? Cool, I’m game while I have time.

Do you want to drag the opinions of others into it? No thanks.

Do you want to bring in hostility and negativity at every turn? No thanks.

Do you want to berate others or me? No thanks!

It really is that simple, I am reasonable, but so far you have not demonstrated that you’re here to debate anything. So far the people who have promoted ideas to change the game… Excluding you and 1 other have been very diplomatic and I even agree with them on things here and there. I am fully willing to back you up on things I agree with and you’re right on, but you don’t need to act like a jerk, and you don’t need to berate other people either.