Loot Council in a guild raid is terrible. That is all.
For a group of 40 equal people it should just be open rolls or some kind of point system outside of specific MT loot that is needed. I would rather lose 100 rolls straight and know I have a chance at loot vs not being 1 of the clique that gets the first 8 pieces guaranteed.
It’s almost as bad as classic groups reserving loot.
Loot council for anything other than top raid guilds is a huge red flag for me. No thanks.
unless you are part of the ¨inner circle¨LC sucks
A few things to maybe consider:
Feeding loot to your most dedicated, and consistent, raiders has always made sense. Even in a DKP style system, this is how it would go down.
In any non-roll loot system, you are rewarded for your time. In DKP, you get points for it. In loot council, you are recognized for your contributions and given loot accordingly. DKP is more impersonal, loot council requires a more engaged officer corp.
If you feel your guild is abusing the nature of loot council, it’s probably not the guild for you.
Loot council is fine when it’s spelled out well in advance. Set of guild lines with 100% transparency.
/roll is always, always, the most fair.
Loot councils should prioritize MT/OT and main healers. then the raiders that have good attendance/raid contribution, then the people just coming along. That way the core guys get geared, dont need the gear in future runs and allows the loot from future runs to get distributed evenly to everyone else.
Its efficent and smart. People are just selfish, like OP.
Yep, I remember loosing out on Circlet of the Mindflayer for a 100% attendance/top performance mage I raided with for one of our Priest’s alt Priest she had to gear up in case we needed her to go Shadow for some reason… Loot council trumped my DKP.
Was time for a new guild.
The problem isn’t the council but who runs it. Done well should maximize raid overall progression. The problems appear when it’s use to benefit a few over the rest.
You’re level 11 on a retail character. I don’t think how loot is distributed in Classic raids is something you need to concern yourself with.
Sounds like you are projecting. The OP said nothing about core group vs “people just tagging along”. The core group could be people for all we know.
Perspective, the way you worded your post reeks of selfishness potential.
I’m going to let you in on a little secret.
You don’t have to join a guild that runs loot council if you don’t want to.
world absolutely rocked
You’re welcome.
I’d much rather have Loot Council over having Huntards free roll on EVERYTHING.
Yes, the people who dont show up every raid and dont do much for the guild in terms of progressing are people.
But I personally think if Bobby the mage shows up every week, brings consumables, knows how to play his class and is generally helpful to everyone in the raid, he should not lose a tier piece he needs to Jimmy the mage, who is spotty on attendance, forgets to repair, doesnt play his class to its potential and isnt very helpful.
Call me selfish if you want but that doesnt make sense to me.
EDIT: if you think all 40 people in the raid put in the same amount of effort to make that raid happen, youre delusional.
Why would there be a group of 40 equal people? What makes them equal?
You’re definitely entitled to your opinion on Loot Councils and I am not here to tell you you are wrong. I think it’s up to you, your guild or whatever group you choose to run with to make those decisions.
I do not think though that hierarchies do not exist. They do.
That the issue with where I am at. It is a set raid roster so everyone is dedicated and consistent. I agree with it not being a guild for me, but, I am unfortunately on a low pop alliance server with no other highly active guilds. I am the top healer 9/10 fights in MC and have 0 loot through 3 weeks. Can’t say the same for the main group clique who is actively middle of the pack-bottom. Frustrating is all and it’s all starting to unravel in gchat / discord after each raid.
But it rarely is 40 equal people. Just showing up does not mean you should have equal chance at gear as someone doing twice your DPS.
That doesnt sound like an issue with loot council, that sounds like a problem with the group youre raiding with
Yes, I am the top healer 90% of fights throughout 3 weeks and have received 0 loot while bottom feeder healers are getting some because of beings part of the in circle…
No one is preventing you from quitting your guild and pugging if that is how you get your fun, no need to get your panties all in a bunch
Exactly… how am I selfish for wanting loot decision to be fair and unbiased based on 3 people who run the guild?