I am going to present an argument to change my guild’s loot rules but I need a little help framing it, here is the situation.
Guild uses “That’s my BiS” however gear is always prio’d to classes that can only use that type of gear first. IE: Rogues and Druids get all leather items before Warriors and Hunters.
Weapons go to players that use them vs stat sticks. IE When the main hand fist weapon dropped of Alar it went automatically to an Enhance Shaman and a hunter wasn’t allowed to roll on it. The Leadership’s reasoning was the Enh Sham will actaully use it, just like a hunter would use a bow and therefore the hunter was lower priorty for something that as just a stat stick.
I don’t agree with any of this. I just feel it is wrong and I am looking for arguments for or against it I can use in a guild meeting. To me BiS is BiS and that’s it.
Personally I’m okay with what your guild has chosen to do.
For 1 it really sucks as a rogue to lose a leather item to a hunter or warrior who will have options of their own in mail and plate. If the leather wearers get said item and it drops, sure let other classes roll for it if they really want to squeeze out some DPS.
For 2, a stat stick weapon is valuable but not nearly as valuable as it would be to a melee that actually has to hit with it so of course it should go to a melee first who get more use and value from it. Just like how a gun or bow goes to a hunter before it goes to a warrior or rogue.
If it’s bis for longer then one phase or the rest of game example: belt of 100 deaths then it should be prio’d accordingly imo.
Ties into same argument as 1. However it also applies to how many alternative options there are for those classes. Pretty sure we gave that to hunters. The KT weapon went to enhance first tho for example.
You should probably not be raiding or be far from being on any type of loot council. BiS is BiS, but BiS for one class is going to be a substantial upgrade over bis for another class. Giving a bow to a warrior over a hunter is a prime example of how stupid your opinion on this is.
Yes as it should be. Melee actually hit things with their melee weapons, so the neat little stat near the top that shows the weapons damage range and speed is kind of important for those classes. It’s almost like on the opposite side of the spectrum, if there is overlap between warrior/rogue versus a hunter for the same ranged weapon, the hunters should only have to fight amongst themselves and the warrior/rogue will have to wait till all the hunters have it. Its almost like hunters use all of that weapon, instead of just boosting stats.
Anyone big angry at that is just a seething hunter who’s mad they can’t get (inster one handed melee weapon) until the (insert name of melee class who is reliant on that weapon for damage) gets said weapon.
Your first point is bad because most of the discussion is based off the leaders of the class discords and they usually make a video or a sheet that shows what the bis is for each spec and class and why.
For instance CVOS is leather but it’s basically enhance prio followed by BM hunters. It isn’t about just X item provides more dps than Y items, there is also added benefits for instance hunter t6 has no hit on it, CVOS literally opens up the options to use t6 along with other phase 3 items.
Your 2nd example is how it should play out. For instance I opted for twinblade because it was relatively close to bis and it made loot a bit easier, now I’m in a better spot because I don’t need to wait for 2 weapons to drop. A pure bis wep should go to the class that’s actually using it as a weapon. Even going for twinblade I waited for the arms to get it, since he needs it to actually use as a weapon and not a stat stick.
You seem to just be uninformed about how items effect classes and are trying to make a case that you should receive an item over someone else where it doesn’t make sense.
I don’t agree with #1, but totally agree with #2. The counter example would be if the Vashj bow was given to a war over hunter as its also bis for them. Giving a wep to someone that will use it vs a stat stick is a huge dps gain for the raid.
Bis is bis… if leather is bis for rogues and hunters it doesnt matter… bis for both. Weapons obviously useable > statstick. Dont know what else to say. Just be an officer and all loot is yours
point #1 I would prio leather to rogues, but only the first piece, the rest follow whatever BiS list guild uses. The thing is if an equivalent plate piece drops, it wouldn’t go waste. I believe in loot sharing
Yeah armor type shouldn’t be a consideration for anything. Hunters are going to benefit from leather more than even some leather classes, why should they be second prio for i.e. leggings of murderous intent?
Makes somewhat more sense but there are caveats for anything. For example, should a hunter that can use the Al’ar gun immediately as an upgrade, even though its not BiS should get it over a rogue that would use it as a stat-stick, despite that stat stick lasting longer than the hunter will use it as a weapon?
IMO gear done via LC should always be done based on weighting as an improvement taking in prio as a factor. Whether or not people “actually use it” is really dumb. If you want to make a argument with your guild just show them what every other decent guild is doing with wishlisted loot prios. Far easier than trying to understand the weird logic they’re using for your guild.
Rogues wear leather and only leather they can’t go backwards to cloth.
Hunters, shaman, warriors and ret paladins value similar stats to rogues and feral druids but will often be able to find items in their own respective armor categories rather than taking gear from classes that have more limited options. To say a warrior leather daddy should get equal priority to a rogue on leather gear is selfish and stupid.
Then don’t, you’re not as smart as you think you are.
Loot distribution based on armor type is
A- done because it’s quick simple and easy
B - provides a clear gear path for every class and keeps those players from feeling cheated and returning to raid every week.
C - Is done because of the prevalence of loot vacuums that try to hoover up as many items as possible just because they can equip it, when we all know they’ll just replace it when a plate or mail item drops (usually).