I am writing this as I would like some clarification on a few things regarding sales going forward as it’s a bit confusing.
Advertising & Sales: What is or isn’t Okay
My understanding is sales by guilds are still allowed as long as we’re using the trade channel to do so.
“Individuals and guilds selling items and services for gold is allowed but can only be advertised in-game through the Trade chat channel.”
However, one post states you can’t advertise cross realm.
“This means there should be no cross-realm advertising, and there should be no advertising from non-participating players.”
(Source: Boosting/RMT advertising - #9 by Kaivax)
It then states very clearly that you can’t advertise cross realm only if the character posting for the sale isn’t participating.
“Advertising for gameplay activities should be done by a WoW player-character who intends to participate in the gameplay activities.”
(Source: Boosting/RMT advertising - #9 by Kaivax)
So does this mean if say I am in Guild X on Mal’ganis but my max level geared alt is still on my old realm Zul’jin, I can advertise sales on Zul’jin with my alt as long as I participate in the run with my guild? The goal is still to sell stuff for my guild (which is allowed) but the question is can advertise in that trade for my guild as long as I am participating (which was stated in the post)? It says no cross-realm advertising but this seems to be contradictory as well.
So far, I am understanding we can’t cross realm advertise without a character on another realm that intends to participate. What does intent to participate mean? What if the alt you’re advertising on for your team can only clear so many bosses? For example, say I advertise we’re selling Sylvanas and I’m clearing with my guild but my actual character will not be attending Sylvanas because of composition reasons. Or what if I am just playing poorly and need to be sat at some point? Connection issues? Or what if I need to swap to my main or a different alt for an immunity? These are all common and realistic scenarios.
Has there been any thought put into how this affects smaller servers? There are still guilds that raid competitively that are attached to their small realms, but the way this reads means that the cost and quantity of materials needed to raid makes it untenable to stay on said server. There simply isn’t the same quantity of materials (much less buyers) on small realms to support the needs of competitive guilds. Historically, these guilds have accepted off-server gold and used it to buy materials, and then transfer over the bank of goodies. At the start of Shadowlands, for example, many guilds had to transfer in materials in order to level up legendary bases for their guild, since there simply wasn’t enough available on-realm.
So that also brings up a new question – where else are we now allowed to advertise. For years, we’ve used trade chat and the forums. Are forums still allowed? Discord came along in what – 2015? Starting picking up for World of Warcraft around 2016/2017, which then prompted a lot of new options. Boosting was obviously one but I really don’t care and have never liked those discords lol – can probably ask anyone.
That being said, I currently run a recruitment discord whose sole purpose is to help people find homes, but we have had a sales channel for 6 years. It obviously stopped being used regularly by guilds when boosting came around, but are we still allowed to let guilds advertise their guild sales there? We verify that the guilds are actual guilds, make them be specific who is allowed to accept gold on behalf of the guild (scammers will always exist, but we try and at least verify people wanting to sell here, including enforcing a blizzard connection to the discord and they need to be raiding officers) and list realms they accept gold (some only accept on their own). Most accept on 1-2 realms (home realm or a realm where players have alts on since most raiders are transferring anyways to raid with these guilds). I have disabled the channel until I have clarification either way. I for one freaking hate boosting discords but still want guilds to have access to players looking to buy stuff because guilds heavily spend at the start of a new tier for any number of things.
PS this whole thing here (referring to GDKP runs):
“That depends on the definition of “financially”. If it means an exchange of gold only without a middleman entity, then it sounds like the same sort of guild activities players have been enjoying for 17 years, which are not the focus of this policy update.”
Usually one player would collect the gold and then split it between everyone else. This is typically not a guild activity either, just a pug (pick up group). I guess I’m confused about this being okay as well since the person holding the gold until the end would be against the new rules? I haven’t personally participated in GDKP since Wrath but since it was mentioned by someone else, it does have me curious lol.
Given how much transferring of gold was happening just from boosting discords alone, I am curious if we’re still allowed to keep a guild on a separate realm and then transfer it. Assuming the one blue post wasn’t wrong, cross realm sales are still allowed but I would like verification we can still collect gold from other realms. We’ve always transferred characters with gold, traded gold with other guilds (realm exchange so no one has to transfer anything, just swap it for their own realm with a diff guild that has gold on their realm) or transferred guild banks with supplies and gold (supplies for smaller realms bc that is part of the reason for the gold anyways lol).
So now that we are of the understanding guilds can do sales, what will happen to those guilds participating appropriately while there are currently new groups being set up under the guise of guilds with the purpose of boosting? I already see it in my recruitment discord. The allure of just playing for gold is much too high for some people apparently.
Depending how the other questions are answered, small realms are basically doomed if cross realm sales are disallowed in the prior fashion while others exploit the new rules - boosting discords disguised as guilds whose sole purpose is to do sales all day. This will create new problems in the future for long standing and new guilds that do rely on sales for providing their teams with consumables, legendaries, and repairs.