And sometimes adds new mechanics.
People do dedicate their entire lives, and well being on this game. This is who they are, a world of warcraft player / raider. Their entire worth as a human being is tied to the accomplishments on their accounts. They can’t stop playing, they have to stay subbed, and their value can not be diminished for devaluing something within the game is devaluing their entire being and that to anyone is a grave insult. Its why if you insult the game or something within the game, they themselves are offended as if you insulted them.
If you removed world of warcraft from their lives, and asked them who they are and what value they have as a human being in this world… well even I wouldn’t have an answer to that, but i’m sure I would like to hear an honest and not butt hurt response.
Is bumper bowling, really bowling? No, it’s the thing that is akin to bowling, that teaches how to do the ACTUAL thing. LFR isn’t raiding, it’s the thing that teaches you how to raid.
It is entry level racing, it serves its purpose allowing everyone to raid.
Don’t take the bait guys.
They know it’s a raid.
It’s called looking for raid and it’s under the raid tab.
Now, see, I disagree with that on a fundamental level.
When I went bowling as a kid, I did bumper bowling and had a great time. All my memories of going bowling were bumper bowling and all of those experiences were positive, whereas doing it without the bumpers would have been tedious and I would have given up immediately and said, “This isn’t for me.”
Because of bumper bowling, bowling could be a part of my life - it could be something I did rather than something I avoided.
And that’s how LFR seems to be for a lot of people.
Let’s say I decided to raid. (Never going to happen, but humor me.)
Well, I’m a misantheope and I don’t work well with others. I don’t fit in to guild environments, and so, if I ever invested heavily in a raiding guild, I would just get kicked out of it before I accomplished my goals.
I’m not proactive or responsible enough to form my own raid team, and my desire to participate in a raid is exceedingly fragile. Even the slightest inconvenience would make me quit.
LFR would be the only viable option for me.
As it stands, even LFR is too much for me, but a lot of people feel like it’s their best option. I’ve heard countless people say if not for LFR, they would not/could not raid at all.
So, I agree with your comparison. LFR and Bumper Bowling are similar in spirit.
The difference between us, though, is that I recognize both things as valid forms of the activity and you don’t. My stance encourages uncertain and hesitant people to try the easier version of an activity in the hopes they’ll enjoy it. Your stance says, “If you can’t do it the hard way, then go without.”
I think that’s a shame.
I mean, you don’t NEED the slime cat. It sounds like that getting it would be far too much work for you.
It is, after all, just another mount that will, for most people, will remain unridden in their mount journal.
Were it the hard way, it’d be called Heroic or Mythic.
You don’t need anything at all in game.
Then maybe organised raiding isn’t for you? Which is fine, there are other things in the game for you to do. Like LFR.
But that doesn’t mean all rewards need to be in all forms of content. I don’t bother mythic raiding anymore, so I don’t expect to get mythic raiding loot. (except I can and do get it from M+, but that’s an entirely different problem).
I don’t PVP much, so I don’t expect to get any of the PVP rewards either.
It’s tourists mode. Even Blizz addresses it as such. You see the raid and get a little bit of gear for your effort if you give one at all really.
It’s not.
I do those things.
No, that’s not for me either. LFR is too challenging for me. I’ll just ragequit if I bother trying.
Nothing means that. It’s just smarter to do it that way because all content is equally valid from a business standpoint. If players like it, it’s good content. If not, it isn’t. Simple.
That’s a coding issue. Easily fixed. You could raise your expectations if they buffed the loot tables.
Same, but there’s no reason you couldn’t petition for that.
Personally, I’m not doing any of that content. I fish and do Archaeology, and increasingly, that’s all I seem to care about in this game.
yeah its a raid. A raid full of morons
doesn’t change the fact it’s also a learning tool
That’s fine, but the purpose of this thread is to establish definitively that LFR is raiding. It can be “braindead” raiding, or “tourist mode” raiding, or “training wheels” raiding, or raiding “for morons,” or whatever kind of qualifiers you want to give it.
But it is raiding. And establishing/reiterating that fact is the purpose of this entire thread.
In short, because the official stance is that … its a tourist mode
It isn’t raiding, because the official standpoint is that LFR hasn’t been raiding since Cataclysm - its just a tourism-tool, and that has been its purpose ever since they changed it from Catacylsm to MoP
To what degree one can argue but… the point of it, to answer the question… because it isn’t, the name states “Looking for raid” so sure you have a linguistics based point but, I have seen what you have commented on in other threads - both you and I know that just because something has the ‘name’ of something, it doesn’t actually mean it is that, not even in a game like wow
The official stance on LFR is that it has been a place to complete quests and offer people a scenic experience of the raid … nothing more, and nothing less
Counter-point: It is raiding, no matter what the “official standpoint” happens to be. Not because it’s called “Looking for Raid,” but because it entails entering and completing a raid.
When you enter a raid, you’re raiding.
Period.
A raid isn’t a place or a location, it is a set of activities that are derived from teamwork and cooperation - neither of which happens in LFR
You zerg-rush a boss until the you or the boss falls over, and the buff you get from wiping means that this is the stated intent behind it
LFR isn’t raiding because you don’t “enter” a raid, you “enter” an instance - there are those designed for raiding and those designed for dungeons, there are those designed for questing, there’s those designed for scenarios, there’s those designed for running around looting Azerite and possibly PvP if you signed up for that
“Entering a raid” isn’t actually a thing per say, and once again, one can argue a lingustical argument, but not a practical one - sorry, but regardless of whether you view it from a logical, an official, or a practical sense … LFR isn’t raiding, the only argument one can make is a linguistical one and once again, that’s a meaningless argument
Ok take off all your gear and go do lfr then it nit as easy as you think
You still have to move fir mechanics and all that jazz just nit as much as others
When you enter a raid you’re entering an instance as well as LFR so what you’re saying is not true you’re entering a raid is raiding in and lfr is raiding as well just at a lower lvl difficulty