Nah, brah. He’s so hArDcOr3!!
Like thats much better. As i said two can play this game. Also in regards of AFKing you were defacto dead weigth on every single one of your lihuvim kills.
Not with your ilvl 
You said Normal doesnt have the expectation of success. And thats frankly put bull.
And for normal i can cherry pick my setup, more often than not have over geared people etc etc etc.
Translated: “I’m insecure and need can’t tolerate the idea that you raided and are equal to me”
DH or hunter? I mained hunter this raid season. And that was a boss I struggled on for some reason. Not everyone will be perfect on every boss, were not world first raiders who have insanely high APM.
Normal mode is certainly easier for players like me. I’ve seen CE guilds wipe to Normal mode Jailer because they lost focus, goofed around, etc. and messed up too many mechanics.
It’s the same reason why RWF guilds wiped on Heroic Jailer multiple times. I can guarantee they had an expectation of success (falsely).
I’m not sure why you think this is a good argument. When I go into LFR on my alts and teach the other tank how to do a boss, or join as a healer and effectively 2-heal the entire run, this isn’t a carry somehow.
A few people do this in battlegrounds, too. So, we need to remove pvp, too?
Your thinking is irrational, as it’s based on your emotions about it, as LFR player bruise your silly ego.
Does it matter? You were dead weight regardless.
Your hunter logs are just as atrocious. You are by far not even remotely as good as you think you are and in no position whatsoever to belittle LFR players.
Ye this has nothing to do with one being a world first raider or not. But you trying to find excuses is amusing.
Kinda cringe dude. Looking at logs is weird. (Even if I also agree with belittling others is also cringe. It’s weird.)
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Yeah sure a good player can carry the run. The same applies to every difficulty however. But most groups dont have that and are at the mercy of whatever the tool throws at them.
Im not the one belittling LFR players while being absolute horse at the game. He wanted to play this game, he can taste his own medicine.
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And that’s where your wrong. I never said I was really good, you missed my whole point. As an AOTC raider, I know coordination, teamwork, and all the other things that come with organized raiding. LFR players don’t, making them…dun dun dun!!!..not raiders. Just story mode boss killers that have 50% or more of mechanics removed to prevent non stop wipes. You got nothing to really argue back cause you know I’m right.
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He needs any leverage he can find to support his “argument”.
Anything not Mythic isn’t really raiding anyway since lesser versions are missing mechanics and have watered down damage. Sorry to be the one to tell you this, normal and heroic “raiders”.
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Debatable. Very very debatable.
Ah is that why i have seen groups do coordinate if required even in LFR? Like it was also commonly the case for N’Zoth and so forth? Hmm strange. Very very strange.
50% you say. Do provide the evidence on that. Also we can, once again, play the same game: Heroic and Normal lack an abundance of Mythic variants and mechanics. So does that mean youre not “raiding” on normal and heroic either?
About what? That you try to defame LFR raiders by calling them “non raiders”? While i wouldnt call whatever is that youre doing inside your raids “raiding” either?
You’re more upset about this than a rational mind would be. It’s raiding, just not how YOU view it. So, does that hurt your precious ego? Why does it bother you that other people did the same raid as you did, just in a different way?
Yeah, yeah…you’re “hardcore” and all that. If you thought about how much others think about you…you’d be disappointed. Nobody cares how “hArDkOrE” you are. Trust me. No one does.
As a former MVP, trust me, it’s not worth your time. You just label yourself as an elitist because no one is going to read the rest of conversation. They’ll see you posting things about WCL parses and shaming someone, and that’s your label.
Most groups in Normal mode don’t have that either. If Normal is puggable by AOTC-level players, that’s expected. But Normal mode is progression for Normal-mode level players/guilds. Again, totally fine.
I’ve helped a few Normal mode guilds who tried to fill their group in Group Finder. Helped a team that wiped to Skolex at 50% get into sub-20% in a hour. I had to leave for main raid after that, but they were progressing just fine. They were having fun and their new tank (who never raided outside of LFR) learned a lot about positioning and facing the boss away.
That LFR is basically tourist mode, nothing more. LFR players don’t know the hardship, coordination, teamwork, and DPS reqs, to down bosses properly. Like the giant worm w/e its name is, ranged dps lfr players would never change between who stands in the back because they don’t care about mechanics - only real raiders would never die to that because they acknowledge its not an avoidable mechanic and you need ranged dps to change who stands in the back every breath. Like I saw someone else say earlier, it should be tourist mode. LFR-only players should be called story mode tourists, not raiders. They will never be raiders unless they touch normal+.
You are under the impression i care about that. I dont. If someone cant be bothered to read the whole convo they arent worth my time to begin with.
I havent said it isnt fine. And for some that are not good enough LFR just fits their level of skill potentially. Ofc you dont do guild progression in it (if you find me such a guild then im going to be baffled) however.
because you can kill everything in there like a whack-a-mole pinata with like 75% of the group not doing the mechanics.
LFR isnt like real raiding. Its a jumbled mess thats nerfed into the ground. Its a stepping stone to actual raiding tho for some new players. Its just super dumbed down